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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Humans have spiritual needs and those who reject actual religion (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc) look to secular causes to fill the void. Which is why we have the climate change zealots, the Branch Covidians, the people with Ukraine flags in their facebook profile... They are compensating for unmet spiritual needs with whatever the "cause of the month/quarter/year" is. It gives them a (false) feeling of righteousness and virtue, which they enjoy.
     
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  3. Amiga

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    You are going to confuse a lot of people with that general statement without a bit more elaboration. Intentionally vague or not a serious person! :D

    Maybe take a few sentences to summarize the key arguments from Durkheim's conception of religion and Midgley's thoughts on meaning, values, and beliefs. Then, clearly differentiate how they (science and religion) differ in methods to establish beliefs and understanding.
     
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    you do it
     
  5. Amiga

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    nay, @Os Trigonum is the expert here

    ok, i'll chime my silliness in after @Os Trigonum :p
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Isaac Asimov noted that science is like a religion except that it works. In the case of Climate Change yes I can see how those who don’t understand the theory and are more caught up with the political debate yes it can seem like a science is the same as religion. Frankly many of those who aren’t scientists who have pushed apocalyptic scenarios like Al Gore have added to this.

    As is the science of Climate Change is actually falling within most of the predicted ranges. Again why there was predictions at the extreme end of massive sea level and other changes most of the predictions were within a range and global average temps are falling within the predicted ranges from 30 years ago.

    Also since we’re discussing the philosophy of science the acceptance of Climate Change is less about a faith argument but more following Thomas Kuhn’s idea of Paradigm Shift. In the 1970’s a popular climate theory was that we were entering a new ice age. “Global Warming” was not fully accepted. Since then there has been a strong preponderance of evidence that the planet is warming and that the primary cause of that is human activities.

    If science was as rigid and driven by orthodoxy that many critics make it out to be there never would be that paradigm shift. Climate scientists who supported the idea of a new ice age would’ve used their influence and status to suppress the heretical idea that the humans could cause the Earth to warm. While Global warming did have resistance in scientific circles there was so much evidence supporting it that paradigm had to shift. As is now most of the opposition to it isn’t scientific but political and economic.
     
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    Oh really? What were the prevailing scientific views of 100 years ago, and how do those stand the test of time today? We would laugh at how wrong many scientific explanations were from 100, 200, 300 years ago. That's not the foundation of a religion.
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes but that is why there are such things as paradigm shifts. You’re making my argument for me that science isn’t religion and orthodoxy.
     
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    This isn't some fantasy, people. It's not some joke on late night TV. Over the last one hundred years, according to scientific data, the world's oceans have risen on average 8 inches due to climate change. However, at Galveston and along the Texas coast, the Gulf has risen two feet in a hundred years. That's due to climate change causing the Antarctic ice to melt and because of the ocean's currents, it's carried up to the Gulf of Mexico. No kidding. Go to the link below and it is laid out in all sorts of easily understood information.

    https://apps.npr.org/arctic-ice-melting-climate-change/

    Here's a mind blowing bit of information. The Army Corp of Engineers presented a $34 billion dollar plan to save Galveston and a heck of a lot more of the Texas Coast from the rising waters of the Gulf of Mexico and President Biden signed it into law.

    Water Resources Development Act of 2022 signed into law, authorizing advancement of Coastal Texas Program
    U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, GALVESTON DISTRICT
    Published Dec. 27, 2022

    GALVESTON, Texas --

    President Biden signed the Water Resources Development Act of 2022 into law on December 23, 2022, which includes authorization of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers’ (USACE) Coastal Texas Program. This legislative action officially authorizes USACE to begin implementation activities for this large-scale coastal storm risk management and ecosystem restoration program, pending appropriation of funding.

    After Hurricane Ike devastated the upper Texas coast in 2008, USACE and its non-federal sponsor, the Texas General Land Office (GLO), embarked on the Coastal Texas Protection and Restoration Feasibility Study. This six-year, $20 million comprehensive study sought to reduce risks to public health and the economy, restore critical ecosystems, and advance coastal resiliency.

    These efforts culminated in Lt. Gen. Scott Spellmon, USACE commanding general, signing the Chief’s Report on September 16, 2021, representing the largest single investment recommendation to Congress in USACE history. The Galveston District (SWG), along with its non-federal partners the Gulf Coast Protection District (GCPD) and the GLO, will lead the delivery of the approximately $34 billion—in today’s dollars—program through design, construction, and subsequent operation.

    “This is one of the largest programs in the history of the Corps of Engineers,” said SWG’s District Commander Col. Rhett A. Blackmon. “More than 300 individuals from across 11 USACE districts and two USACE labs—including the best scientists and engineers—worked with four contracting firms, 12 different colleges and universities, multiple community working groups, and experts from countries around the world to build the framework for this project.”

    “The Coastal Texas Program is critically important to the nation,” said Mike Braden, SWG’s Mega Projects Division chief. “This program reduces significant risk to vulnerable populations, environment, and infrastructure which—to put it simply—are irreplaceable. Each year there is a probability of another Hurricane Ike, or worse, impacting the coast of Texas,” Braden said. “Over time, these probabilities become a certainty. Our job is to expedite delivery before that time comes.”

    “Federal authorization of the Coastal Texas Program represents a momentous step forward for this critical effort, over a decade in the making, to protect the communities, economy, and vital ecosystems of the Texas coast from the devastating effects of coastal storm surge,” said Michel Bechtel, Board President of the GCPD. “As the local partner working alongside the Corps of Engineers and the GLO to deliver this transformative project, we stand ready and are eager to move forward together with this visionary resiliency improvement program.”

    For more information about the Coastal Texas Program, visit www.coastaltexasprogram.com.

    For more news and information, follow us on Facebook, www.facebook.com/GalvestonDistrict, Twitter, www.twitter.com/USACEgalveston.


     
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    Power plants are the 2nd biggest emissions source of co2. Epa is making the first ever regulation to curb co2 from power plants this week.
     
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    New Research Sparks Concerns That Ocean Circulation Will Collapse
    APRIL 18, 2023

    Scientists have long feared that warming could cause a breakdown of ocean circulation in the North Atlantic. But new research finds the real risk lies in Antarctica’s waters, where melting could disrupt currents in the next few decades, with profound impacts on global climate.





    It is being hailed as a sea change in scientific understanding of the global ocean circulation system and how it will respond as the world heats up. A doomsday scenario involving the collapse of the circulation — previously portrayed in both peer-reviewed research and the climate disaster movie The Day After Tomorrow — came a lot closer in the last month. But rather than playing out in the far North Atlantic, as previously assumed, it now seems much more likely at the opposite end of the planet.

    A new analysis by Australian and American researchers, using new and more detailed modeling of the oceans, predicts that the long-feared turn-off of the circulation will likely occur in the Southern Ocean, as billions of tons of ice melt on the land mass of Antarctica. And rather than being more than a century away, as models predict for the North Atlantic, it could happen within the next three decades.

    Leading ocean and climate researchers not involved in the study who were contacted for comment praised the findings. “This is a really important paper,” says Stefan Rahmstorf, an oceanographer and head of earth system analysis at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. “I think the method and model are convincing.”

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    bypassing Congress to enact the Green New Deal

    hold on to your wallets
     
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    ...do you ever think before you talk? Seriously? Green new deal is curbing co2 from power plants? You do realize congress GAVE epa the power to regulate power plants right?

    good God man get a grip.
     
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    Congress never declared C02 a pollutant (it isn't, it's what plants crave)
     
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    So what do you personally do to "sAvE tHe cLimAtE"?
     
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    Germany is killing its economy with non-sensical "save the climate" virtue signaling.
     
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    @AroundTheWorld You "liked" this post, do you actually believe it?
     
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    What about it do you not agree with?
     
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    All of it.

    But, my bad, I should have posted the next:

    Which is why we have the climate change zealots, the Branch Covidians, the people with Ukraine flags in their facebook profile...
     
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