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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Sep 21, 2022.

  1. Nook

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    I don't really have an issue with anything the doctor said.

    The doctor raised the issues that need to be considered and explained the process.

    As far as the therapy and the surgeon being connected in the same facility - that is very common in medicine for a variety of reasons. I can say that it can cause a beneficial financial relationship to develop between the medical doctor and therapist (I know that happens). Also, the fact that some of these arrangements are popping up is one of the reasons I do not support puberty blockers, testosterone treatment or surgery until a child reaches the age of 18 and can make their own decision.

    I have seen too many financially motivated decisions made by doctors, therapists, etc.... I have probably deposed at least 2000 doctors, and specialists almost are always heavily financially motivated, especially if they own part of the practice they are in. Pain doctors are almost all scumbags... they don't usually help their clients and it isn't usually their motivation.
     
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    This is this
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  3. Commodore

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    no, I do not.
     
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    Now you do
     
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    And she is free to speak out and express her regret over her decisions. I have no doubt in her sincerity but she is doing exactly what many of you accuse trans people of doing. She’s saying that her experience is what should be applied to everyone else and enshrined in law. There are many who have transitioned who are perfectly happy with their decision.

    again this is why I agree the decision to transition should not be made quickly and not without a lot of counseling and consideration. That doesn’t mean it should be banned completely.
     
  9. JumpMan

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    Did you know girls who get breast implants can still breastfeed? Did you know girls who get a double mastectomy cannot? Did you know boys and girls who get bottom surgeries cannot reproduce? Even puberty blockers cause infertility.
     
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  10. Commodore

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    cosmetic hysterectomies and mastectomies should be considered a violation of the Hippocratic oath
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Not if keeping them might lead to more harm such as the person committing suicide because they feel so uncomfortable in their body.

    I’m not for cosmetic surgeries for children in general but for the same reasons I wouldn’t ban them either.
     
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    So what?

    Not everyone wants to reproduce or breast feed. Plenty of people who haven’t changed their genders willingly don’t have children.
     
  13. JumpMan

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    A child doesn't understand the significance of that decision and of losing that ability. Really, no one has the right to take away that ability from him either.

    This reminds me of an argument against the death penalty. The one that says we shouldn't have it because we make mistakes. Well, people also make mistakes in deciding to undergo these life-altering procedures, too.
     
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    One is an individual. The other is the state. I would be certainly against the state mandating gender reassignment surgery.

    Children do make life altering decisions all then time. In fact cosmetic surgery can be life altering and complications from it can cause the same problems that you are worried about yet there aren’t laws being passed or major handwringing on that.

    Also this might not apply to you but we see a lot of the same politicians pressing to allow children to own firearms which can have life altering and ending consequences.

    Again this is why my position is that this should be done with a lot of thought and counseling. What you’re arguing for is the imposition of your morality upon everyone else. Because you think that everyone has it have the capacity to have children and that children shouldn’t be able to make that themselves there should be blanket laws regarding that. In other words it’s not about personal freedom but about literally paternalism.
     
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    The kids aren't making these decisions. It's the adults. No adult has the right to take away a child's ability to reproduce in their lives.

    There is a difference between a surgery causing this or that as a result of complications from the surgery and a surgery causing this or that as a result of the surgery. A double mastectomy will result in the loss of the ability to breast feed. Bottom surgeries will result in the loss of the ability to reproduce.

    I don't want to impose anything on anyone. That's what the crazy, truly hateful people on both sides of this issue do. I don't even vote.
     
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    That's an interesting point about all of this. The party of personal freedom rallying against personal freedom using a statement by the individual choices made by an adult.
     
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    Forget my opinion, this comparison is completely asinine. Breast implant comparison to a mastectomy?!

    Even with cancer there it’s incredibly morbid significant surgery vs making 4cm incision and inserting implants

    if course you fools runaway with this crap
     
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  18. Amiga

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    I'm absolutely not dismissing your opinion. I value opinions from experts in relevant fields. Experts, patients, and families should work as a unit to make decisions regarding medical procedures. The government has no place intervening except (and it must be genuine) to ensure safety and protect families from abusive practices.

    While I understand that children with breast cancer may face psychological challenges without the option for breast reconstruction surgery, there may be someone who believes that this is crossing the line towards abuse, and want the government to step in to ban such practices (something I would be totally against). Purely cosmetic surgery is a different story. Personally, I don't believe children should undergo any type of cosmetic surgery and think it's wrong. However, I wouldn't impose my beliefs onto others. I trust experts such as doctors and psychologists, along with the family, to make the best decision.

    I also believe sex change surgery for children is strange and wrong. At first, I supported some sort of government ban. However, upon further reflection on cosmetic surgery (that tweet triggers this reflection), I don't want to be presumptuous about what is best for others. If there is a ban, it should come from experts in the field rather than the government.
     
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    I am not disregarding your opinion. I value opinions from experts in relevant fields. Experts, patients, and families should work as a unit to make decisions regarding medical procedures. The government has no place intervening except (and it must be genuine) to ensure safety and protect families from abusive practices.

    While I understand that children with breast cancer may face psychological challenges without the option for breast reconstruction surgery, there may be someone who believes that this is crossing the line towards abuse, and want the government to step in to ban such practices (something I would be totally against). Purely cosmetic surgery is a different story. Personally, I don't believe children should undergo any type of cosmetic surgery and think it's wrong. However, I wouldn't impose my beliefs onto others. I trust experts such as doctors and psychologists, along with the family, to make the best decision.

    I also believe sex change surgery for children is strange and wrong. At first, I supported some sort of government ban. However, upon further reflection on cosmetic surgery (that tweet triggers this refelction), I don't want to be presumptuous about what is best for others. If there is a ban, it should come from experts in the field advising the government and policy makers rather than politicians.
     
  20. Amiga

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    That's a presumptuous statement that doesn't make sense to me. I cannot believe that any parent would put their child through that without the child wanting it.

    Youngest-Ever Sex-Change Patient
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