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2023 NFL Draft Thread

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Lol nothing has changed at all. A QB is still going #1 overall and we’ll still likely see 3-4 QBs go in the Top 5 picks.
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Desperation can be cruel sometimes.

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I'm not basing drafting Haener off of just the S2 score. I am basing my opinion off of watching his Fresno State tape. I could of told you had a high S2 score beforehand just by reviewing his tape. People in Houston are not going to be familiar with Haener, but Demeco Ryans and Bobby Slowik are going to be very familiar with Haener coming from the San Francisco area. I am not advocating drafting Haener in the 1st round. But I would trade up in the 2nd round or use one of the third rounders to draft Haener. Use the 1st round picks to upgrade your defensive line.
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There is a reason(s) why he isn’t mentioned in the same breath as Young. If he was exactly like Young but bigger, he would be the runaway top pick in this draft.

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I’d guess 4 options at #2
Anderson, Wilson, Levis, trade down

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I know Texans won’t show their hand but it seems like they are thinking Will at 2 then trade in that 7-10 range and hope for AR15 or Stroud. I think colts take Levis at 4.

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There is a reason(s) why he isn’t mentioned in the same breath as Young. If he was exactly like Young but bigger, he would be the runaway top pick in this draft.
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Who says he is not one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the draft? Teams have different rankings the media. The media have focused on the QB's who played in big games, big conferences. I want the best QB who can execute the gameplan on Sunday. Not necessarily the QB who can jump over fences and throw 80 yards.

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Freak of an athlete.

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Has a little Moss to him.

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Somebody who didn’t flake on the Mannings lol

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A two-time Heisman Trophy finalist and Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year, Stroud threw 85 touchdown passes over two seasons as Ohio State's starter. He’s the consensus No. 2 QB in this class, and a few scouts and coaches rank him ahead of Young.

“Best player. Played from the pocket. Good arm. Good athlete. Good size. Tough. I don’t see very many flaws,” an AFC executive said. “Who would you pick if you had the first overall pick? I’d probably pick him.”

Stroud looks the part at 6-3 and 214 pounds with big 10-inch hands. He completed 69.3 percent of his college passes for 8,123 yards and threw just 12 interceptions. And his last game as a Buckeye was a solid NFL audition: a 42-41 shootout loss to Georgia in the College Football Playoff semifinals in which Stroud was 23-of-34 passing for 348 yards and four touchdowns with an additional 34 rushing yards, showing off more ability to make plays with his legs than many scouts thought he had.

“Stroud’s very interesting to me because I think he’s still growing as a passer,” an NFC quarterbacks coach said. “He’s instinctive, accurate, a little bit more of a classic pocket passer mold, but has enough athleticism to get to do things for you there. The question everybody’s going to have with him: Was the Georgia game an anomaly? Or is that what he can be?”

Stroud had just 136 rushing yards and one TD in his college career. (Important note: Unlike in the NFL, the NCAA counts sacks against a quarterback's rushing total, so Stroud's yardage total is a little deceiving.) But he has shown an ability to make things happen outside the pocket, as noted by an NFC coordinator: "C.J. (throwing) on the move is ridiculous. It's just natural. It flicks."

Said an AFC GM: “This public knock about him (not) extending plays or using his athleticism or whatever -- from what I’ve seen, I don’t really buy that. I think you see it plenty on tape. I think he’s very well-rounded.”

Readiness remains a question mark on Stroud, who is still only 21 years old. Several scouts repeated the same early reports: Concerns about selfishness, his relationships with teammates and others around the building, overall leadership traits. One NFC scout who did extensive background work on Stroud explained it this way: “The first year he was at Ohio State competing for the job, he had to be about himself. Then, when he actually won the job, through the rest of ‘21 and on through the ‘22 offseason, he had to learn how to be a leader because he was always just driven to, I need to get this for myself, I gotta get this for my family, I gotta make sure I’m the starting quarterback. He was so driven that way, kind of with blinders on. Once he got the job, he had to go through a maturation of trying to figure out, OK, how do I lead a team? That part’s kind of been a work in progress. Smart kid, though. ... He’s like a sponge, tries to learn more every day, works on his craft. Always doing something in terms of throwing, organizing throwing, guys running routes, working on timing, touch, technique.”

Stroud has overcome challenges, most notably the incarceration of his father on a prison sentence of over 30 years when Stroud was 13 years old. He’s guarded about certain aspects of his life and that has been reflected in pre-draft meetings with teams. However, several GMs, scouts and coaches said Stroud grew on them the more time they spent with him. And Stroud is more highly regarded in terms of his passing ability and his football IQ than some other recent Ohio State QB prospects.

“The questions are going to be transitioning from that offense, because guys have had trouble (adjusting) from what they ask them to do (at Ohio State) to what we ask them to do in terms of setting protections and all that,” an NFC executive said. “He’s always had really good protection and he’s basically been driving a Cadillac -- he’s got [Jaxon Smith-Njigba], he’s got three first-round receivers, he’s got two first-round tackles. When he’s got space and time to throw, he carves people up and he’s ridiculous. When things have gotten tight -- when Michigan has gotten pressure on him, when he’s seen new stuff from Northwestern that they weren’t prepared for and the game gets tight -- he hasn’t played as free. And in fairness to [Stroud], he hasn’t been in that situation very often because they’ve been so good.”

The Buckeyes lost just four of Stroud’s 25 starts, though two of those defeats came against rival Michigan. Stroud took the S2 Cognition test multiple times and posted low scores, but coaches who have watched the tape and put Stroud on the board were impressed with his processing ability. He has displayed toughness, starting all 12 games in 2021 despite separating the AC joint in his right (throwing) shoulder in the season opener. And as pure passers go, Stroud is one of the best in this class.

“You saw in the Georgia game he’s probably more athletic than people gave him credit for,” another NFC coordinator said. “Good arm talent. I think he’s good mechanically. And demeanor-wise, he’s a lot more likeable than I thought he was going to be. You watch his game-day demeanor -- he seems real standoffish, no personality. And he was like the exact opposite in person. Cool as hell, great communication skills, good recall. He can process. Ball kind of comes easy to him.”
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Who says he is not one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the draft? Teams have different rankings the media. The media have focused on the QB's who played in big games, big conferences. I want the best QB who can execute the gameplan on Sunday. Not necessarily the QB who can jump over fences and throw 80 yards.

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Who besides you thinks he is a top QB in this draft?

If you are correct, since coaches and GMs aren’t the media, someone will take him in the first round, right?

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So basically he did what he had to do to become a starter. Once he became the starter, he learned how to become a leader?

Seems like everyone but the Texans like Stroud lol just a week ago he was considered the No. 1 pick, now he doesn't fit us? Because of his agent? The "generational" QB coming out next year already has ties to the same agent so we're going to pass on him too? This wild.

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