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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. launches unlikely presidential bid as a Democrat

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  1. Buck Turgidson

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    Is he gonna hit up Beer Bike at Rice U?
     
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    Psaki said he plans on doing bicycle tours all around the country so maybe ? She did a podcast with kera swisher which she said the WH knows age is the number 1 issue. They're consulting with tons of people on how to tackle it and plan on attacking the narrative aggressively.
     
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    Again if the canidate doesn't matter what have progressives accomplished in congress ? What bills has AOC passed? What policies was bernie able to push through? What bills have AOC even written on paper?

    Can you name *ANYTHING* progressives accomplished in the last congress ? Governoring is about relationships and more than fancy ideas on a piece of paper.
     
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    I don’t have time to properly reply at the moment. But I definitely like rank choice voting.
     
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    It’s not only about relationships either though in regards to why something does not get passed. It’s about corruption too. There are several things that poll favorably with the public that don’t have a chance of passing because of it. Corruption from the media, bought politicians. Whether it is different gun issues. Legalization of mar1juana. Taxes. Healthcare.

    How TF do you pass those with a relationship? A majority of congress women included probably wants to fuq AOC. That doesn’t mean they will create a healthcare system like Canada, Argentina, Germany, UK, Japan, Korea and every other first world country out there. When they are bought by insurance & pharmaceutical companies.

    I can’t believe I even had to type this.
     
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    It's so funny seeing people openly admit that our system is broken, yet in the same breath acquiesce if not advocate for following that same set of perverse rules and incentives completely down the drain.
     
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    I am not sure if you are referring to me. But if so g'damn right let the 2 party system falter and quickly circle the drain into the sewer where it belongs.
     
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    You cant believe you had to type something thats utterly false. What the hell does corruption have to do with comptency?

    https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/U000040/bills-sponsored/116

    Lauren Underwood the House rep from Chicago passed *SEVENTEEN BILLS* out of commitee. Becaues of her black hospitals have record funding in rural america. She passed 7 bills INTO LAW last congress. She put in the work and wrote the bills and pushed the bills through. Again WHAT THE HELL DID AOC PASS? Forget passing but what bills has she WRITTEN? Has she WRITTEN MEDICARE FOR ALL;? Has she got a CBO score on medicare for all?

    They havnt done a god damn thing. Its easy to complain on twitter and yell medicare for all then it is to actually put the work in to make a difference. Its hilarious how lefties always attract GRIFTERS.

    Theres no legislative text of Medicare for All. None. Its never been CBO scored. What the hell does corruption have to do with this?

    This is the exact same argurment lefties made in 2016 when they didnt vote for Hillary and Trump came into power. This whole bullshit about , "zomg the system is broken." The system is broken and the only way by fixing the system is garnering the VOTES to change the system.

    If you want to "fix" the system it again starts with the JUDICAL BRANCH.
     
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    yeah lets have the 2 party system destroy itself! Thats exaactly the garbage bernie bros pushed in 2016 and what did that accomplish? That literally gave trump 3 nominees to appoint to the supreme court.

    Its so funny watching the same folks spew the same bullshit in 2016 again in 2023. The system is broken so lets not vote! Lets allow trump to be a facist dictator! Good god you people are insane. Seriously.

    Folks with your mentality of, "lets have the party destroy itself" are the ones who dont a crap about damage it causes minorities. Theres nothing "savage" of having women have their rights taken away or LGBTQ being treated inhumanly.
     
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    Why do you think the midterms went how they went? Trump nominees lost across the board. If Trump came into power again it would be horrible for the country and would bring about even more change. You go ahead and be ok with status quo and a two party system.

    Be honest and without looking tell me how many parties are represented in congress and senate's across the world. How many different political parties.

    This country is ****ed and on a bad path. Clinton was a horrible candidate. Trump served his purpose.
     
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    All of that serves a purpose too. Unpopular policies being passed by a minority. There is backlash. When the backlash has no outlet because the other party is close to being as corrupt as the other. There is breakdown.

    There is already been erosion of confidence for decades now of corporate media and rightfully so. Conservative billionaires finance youtube channels and fake book sales. Finance Thomas' vacations. It's allllll completely fuqed. So yes burn it down have some actually real people in office that are smart and are not bought. I am sorry if that is too much to ask for. But that's my opinion.
     
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    I own a medical equipment company in Indiana and I deal with PBMs for a living. I sell CPAPs and Bipaps and medicines and ive part of quite a few lobbying groups. In this country we've had the consumer price standard rule our economics for 40+ years when Regan and Bork introduced it in the 80s. This was how tax cuts was sold to the public alongside deregulation and cheaper products. This is what led us to globolization and neoliberal policies in this country for 40+ years. Obama was textbook Mr Neolibal. There was no change in governance under obama.

    Five years ago a 29 year old scholar wrote a paper on Amazon and how its abuse of power is ruining the american economy. It was called Amazon Paradox. Fast foward four years now that same female whos 33 is the head of the FTC and is the most powerful regulator in the entire world.

    Shes single handily breaking the PBMs, breaking up google, sueing meta, breaking up ticketmaster, and shes re writing the merger guidelines for corporate mergers for the first time in 40 years.

    When people like you throw your hands up and say the system is broken that is utter bullshit and youre spewing nihilistic garbage. In five years ONE FEMALE has single handily uprooted the entire economy and is re writing how we do business in this nation.

    I actually went to see her with a client. Change is VERY possible because we live in the greatest country in the world.

     
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    This is the craziest thinking ive ever seen in my life. You want to burn the entire government and system in place because you think we'll somehow get better governance? Do you not see whats happening in florida? How LGBTQ folks are having their rights stripped away in classrooms? How girls cant perform have abortions before they know they're pregnant? Where protestors are being ran over by facists?

    Is the florida democratic party somehow emerging from the ashes stronger? You gotta be kidding me

    Do you people have any idea how utterly insane this thinking is and how many people suffer in the mean time? What you dont get is FACISTS dont give up power. Once they control the levers of government they RIG it to keep it in power. Thats what gerrymandering nd rigging the courts is about.

    This is the worst type of thinking in the world. Nihilistic bullshit in which millions get hurt whom are mostly minorities and poor.
     
  14. peleincubus

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    yeah i know who she is. A professor i had while getting an mba at UT knew her and referenced her a few times and made us write an article. I admittedly do not know a lot about her though.

    but right on. things are on the up and up. there are warnings that things are on the brink of collapse across the world but i digressss
     
  15. peleincubus

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    @basso @Trader_Jorge are fascists? I am pretty sure they think Florida is turning into a utopia lol
     
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    need to ask @B-Bob and @heypartner
     
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    She is the most powerful person in the entire world. You talk about all this garbage about how things are going so bad but you dont even follow her? You are the problem if you dont associate yourself in the equation. You know the FTC holds monthly public comment periods where you can xoom in and talk to the FTC about problems you have?

    What other country in the world allows a random professor to become the most powerful regulator in the world? Biden also just gave the FTC the largest budget in over 50 years and shes hiring over 400 new lawyers to prosecute more cases.



    The non compete ban has more public comments than any other rule in American history. This is what democracy IS ABOUT
     
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    Do you see what's happening in the midwest? Their passing pro worker legislation, raising minimum wage, free school lunches, weed legal, LGBTQ protections, raising tax on wealthy landowners, free pre k, gun restrictions, tougher merger guidelines for hospitals.
     
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    I am a single parent that has a kid that goes to Kealing magnate school in Austin that plays AAU basketball, football, track (just got 2 overall 7th grade boys gold medals and 1 silver 2 days ago in hurdles and sprinting) soccer at Lonestar just played in (barca spain and paris France 6 weeks ago) and practices with Austin fc youth team I get him to ALL of practices and games, all advanced classes in school. I don't receive child supporteven though I'm supposed to and it is accumulating. been in grad school off and on for 3 years. just started a new job for the state doing procurement. it's been kicking my ass for years and is still kicking my ass. sorry, i don't as much about her as i should. ill read some articles on her.
     
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    https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/on-lina-khan-derangement-syndrome

    Read this one article when you have time and it's all you would need to read.
     

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