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Kansas City Teen Shot going to Wrong House

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Apr 17, 2023.

  1. Duncan McDonuts

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    Can you guys not take the troll bait? It clutters up the actual relevant updates.
     
  2. Xopher

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    That is the what you said. You said blacks commit more crimes against whites than whites commit against blacks. Keep backpedaling.
     
  3. Xopher

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    I did and it said the Reich-winger who posted it was incorrect and displayed the information incorrectly.
     
  4. davidio840

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  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I think people are pretty outraged by all the shootings.
     
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    Make a thread it’s equally as disgusting.
     
  7. NewRoxFan

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    So I guess we are in agreement... that regardless of the race of the crazy person with a gun or the race of the victims, there are way too many guns and that fewer guns and more regulation to reduce the number of guns is needed.
     
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    Yes, that's absolutely accurate. Pretty much every year since 2001, blacks have murdered 2x the numbers of whites than whites have murdered of blacks. That's the data. In terms of violent crime in general, in 2019 there were around 560,000 violent crimes involving whites/blacks. 84% were black on white crime. Again, the data.

    Obviously the media takes far greater interest in white on black crime, which creates misperceptions like yours. You are getting played. And it's done for votes.
     
  9. Amiga

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    Grandson says Andrew Lester influenced by conservative media | The Kansas City Star

    Ludwig said he and his grandfather, who goes by the first name Dan, used to be very close.

    “But in the last five or six years or so, I feel like we’ve lost touch,” he said. “I’ve gotten older and gained my own political views, and he’s become staunchly right-wing, further down the right-wing rabbit hole as far as doing the election-denying conspiracy stuff and COVID conspiracies and disinformation, fully buying into the Fox News, OAN kind of line. I feel like it’s really further radicalized him in a lot of ways.”

    Ludwig said his grandfather had been immersed in “a 24-hour news cycle of fear and paranoia.”

    “And then the NRA pushing the ‘stand your ground’ stuff and that you have to defend your home,” he said. “When I heard what happened, I was appalled and shocked that it transpired, but I didn’t disbelieve that it was true. The second I heard it, I was like, ‘Yeah, I could see him doing that.’”
     
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  10. rocketsjudoka

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    I’ll have to find a link but I heard that Lester’s wife was also fearful of him and had moved out a few years ago.
     
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    I don't agree with Trader in giving this guy an excuse on the murder. I do agree the media does play up white on black murder as we are all desensitized to black kids and violent crime and these stories go further but there are posters who ignore actual statistics

    That being said that has nothing to do with this situation. We have to start with the kid knocked at the door. Criminals don't knock. There is no excuse other than old age. That's the first issue. Regardless of years of whatever beliefs this guy has, he is old. That's the first issue
     
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  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Like I mentioned, conservative media and social media makes heroes of these vigilante killers. They breed an irrational fear of others and things like Antifa
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    In this particular case yes race and Right Wing rhetoric does appear to play a role. For the bigger issue as been shown by the other shootings last week of innocence people going to the wrong driveway or car there is a large problem of paranoia and way access to firearms. That cuts across race and whatever the race or socioeconomic position many shouldn’t have such access to firearms.
     
  15. Reeko

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    u can see the pain in his eyes

    I hope this kid finds healing and can overcome any trauma after being shot by that devil
     
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    NY law doesn't appreciate the right to protect.

    https://apnews.com/article/wrong-dr...llis-monahan-cdca1723c6ba7afb89102a1e1aaa3fe0

    FORT EDWARD, N.Y. (AP) — A man who fatally shot a 20-year-old woman after the SUV she was riding in mistakenly drove into his rural driveway in upstate New York was sentenced Friday to more than 25 years to life in prison.

    Kevin Monahan, 66, was convicted of second-degree murder in the death last April of Kaylin Gillis. She was riding in a caravan of two cars and a motorcycle that was trying to leave after pulling into Monahan’s long, winding driveway while looking for a party at another person’s house in the town of Hebron.

    “I think it’s important that people know that it is not OK to shoot people and kill them who drive down your driveway,” Judge Adam Michelini said. Apart from the wider deterrent effect, Michelini said it’s important that Monahan remain behind bars rather than be free to harm more people.

    The judge handed down the maximum sentence after Gillis’ father, boyfriend and best friend told Monahan and the packed court room about their anguish and the immeasurable void in their lives.

    Michelini scolded Monahan for showing no remorse.

    “You murdered Kaylin Gillis. You shot at a car full of people and you didn’t care what would happen and you repeatedly lied about it. You deserve to spend the maximum time in prison allowable under the law,” the judge said.
     
  17. Rocket River

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    JUSTICE!

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  18. Reeko

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    too many low IQ people with guns

    A homeowner in Conifer is facing serious allegations of shooting a teenager through the windshield of a car parked on a road outside of the homeowner's Colorado property Tuesday.

    The teenage boy was taken to the hospital where he remained Wednesday evening with serious injuries.

    38 year old Brent Metz, a town council member in tiny Mountain View in Jefferson County is charged with 1st degree assault, illegal discharge of a firearm and two counts each of felony menacing and reckless endangerment, a misdemeanor.

    The 17 year old and a 15 year old friend had been on the homeowner's property seeking permission to take homecoming photos there.

    The teenagers told deputies they stopped outside a property in the 23000 block of Pleasant Park Road around 4:15 p.m. on Tuesday.

    They jumped over the fence and tried to locate the homeowner to ask if they could take high school homecoming photos at their property. When no one answered, they told authorities they walked to an outbuilding where they heard music and found no one. Some mountain residents with livestock leave music playing to scare away predators. When they couldn't find anyone, they assumed no one was home and returned to their car, the sheriff's office said.

    Seeing the teenagers on cameras, one of the residents called law enforcement, saying the teens were trespassing. Jefferson County Sheriff's spokesperson Jacki Kelley says there was no indication from the caller that they were being robbed.

    "We were headed up there on an unwanted party on their property," said Kelley.

    Investigators say they teens shared that they were in their Audi parked along the road writing a note to the homeowners to ask for permission when a pickup driven by Metz pulled up at an angle, blocking their departure.

    "In the process of writing that note, a truck pulled up next to them. An adult male got out, pointed a gun at the windshield of their car and fired the gun," said Kelley.

    That person is identified by the Sheriff's Office as Metz. Investigators found the note the teens were writing in a school binder. They say Metz said nothing before firing.

    "There was no conversation," said Kelley.

    Metz did not explain why the teenager was shot to deputies, but insisted on talking to a lawyer.

    "There is nothing so far that we have learned that would cause us to believe that this was, that there was any intent to commit crimes that they were doing anything that would have been malicious or criminal other than stepping across their fence," said Kelley.

    She pointed out that under Colorado law, it is not legal to use deadly force in defense of property, only if there is reason to believe there will be harm to oneself or others.

    Addressing a question about the charges against Metz if the gun went off accidentally, Kelley noted that Metz was not charged with attempted 1st degree murder.

    Metz was booked into the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office on a $5,000 bond.

    "Our office requested a cash only bond, but the court gave Metz a PR bond," said a spokesperson for District Attorney Alexis King via email. That type of bond means the defendant's signature acts as the promise to appear in court. Metz bonded out Wednesday.

    Brent Metz was sworn in last year as a town council member in Mountain View. His term runs until 2027. Mountain View's mayor declined to comment, referring questions to the town administrator, who did not immediately respond.

    Metz is due back in court Monday. He did not return a phone call from CBS Colorado asking about the incident.
     
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    Andrew Lester, the 86-year-old white man who pleaded guilty Friday to shooting Black teenager Ralph Yarl in the head after Yarl mistakenly rang his doorbell, has died, prosecutors in Clay County, Missouri, said Wednesday.

    The prosecutors did not say how or when he died. He was facing up to seven years in jail after reaching a plea deal and was awaiting sentencing March 7.

    Yarl's family members said in a statement that Lester never apologized for what he did and that "instead, he and his attorney used every legal maneuver possible to delay accountability."


    good riddance
     
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