Robert F. Kennedy Jr. launches unlikely presidential bid as a Democrat

This is your queen? Imagine talking down and making fun of the government officals actually fixing bridges and doing government work.

Imagine thinking being president is somehow just passing Medicare for all while allowing infrastructure and bridges to cripple.

Leftists have no sense of governoring whatsoever.

 

only 3x? failure

 

misremebering

it was the press that declared that

 

Important to note that in 2016 Republican voters chose the "feels" candidate in Trump. What they got from their vote legislatively was a big fat nothing for them personally other than Supreme Court Justices which had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with McConnel & the Federalist Society, as well as 2 trillion in increase in the national debt. They voted for the culture warrior candidate with no legislative experience, and they lost every election since then with nothing legislative to show.

The folks to the left of us who feel like Biden isn't pure enough just need to ask themselves if they care about legislation getting passed or if they just care about virtue signaling. Given how the electorate in 2020 overwhelmingly voted for candidates they thought had the best chance of uniting all factions of the party in order to actually get stuff done (first step was beating Trump), I feel pretty optimistic.

Hard to quantify though how many Democratic voters in 2020 shifted from Pragmatism to Purity Testing in just 4 years. Has there been that much of a dramatic shift away from pragmatism to be concerned?? I think that's a real question that might be tough to quantify.

If the electorate hasn't changed much in this area then I do think a candidate like Newsome or Whitmer could get the nomination over Biden for sure. Williamson.... um... no. No chance.

 

Again I'm 100% okay with biden being challenged. I think it's a healthy part of society. I dont think anyone serious will challenge him cuz theyll ruin their careers. I just find Marianne hilarious. She claimed herself she would be an awful mayor and governor cuz she hates managing people.

How the hell can you be a good president if you hate MANAGING PEOPLE LOL. Are we going hire Yao ming as rockets manager cuz he's nice?

@tinman we might need to hire Jeremy linn as rockers GM. He's nice. Qualifications don't matter

 

POTUS doesn't need to manage people. The need to lead people. I have no idea if she has that capability, but she does have a vision.

My problem is with newbie. They have no experience to run any government, so it's a hard no for me. With that said, I would take a seemingly normal and ethical newbie over an experienced nuzzy (Trump).

 

10 years ago Obama was in this same spot and he was cutting Medicare, balancing the budget with spending cuts, cutting social society, refused to invite unions to WH, didn't believe in any anti trust, extended Bush tax cuts, introduced more tax cuts.

Do progressive realize how much they've won in every policy debate possible? Biden is pushing for a billionaire tax aka warren wealth tax just this year.

Progressives are only one cycle away from Medicare for all. If you want big progressive programs you need to lay the ground with lefty judges BEFORE you pass such laws or else they'll get struck down.

Biden is stacking the bench with more public defenders and non corporate judges than every president in history combined. Progressive aren't that far away from their ultimate goal which is m4a.

There's no point in destroying the party and allowing trump back into office and bernie and others understand that in congress.

 

President literally manages over 3000 people under them. What in the world are you talking about? Biden had to fire his legislation liason multiple times last year. President has to manage their cabinet officals day to day. That's his job.

How in the world can you think the president doesn't manage people ? What?!?!

 

No human can literally manages that many people. You and I are thinking different things and I have no interest in going on.

 

Your point about judges is paramount, and should be a big part of why Progressives should have a more nuanced view of the Biden admin. They need to take that purity test anger, and direct it at Diane freaking Feinstein. What the hell Diane. I gave Ralph Nader some grief on ego, but Diane Feinstein is looking to test his position on the mount Rushmore of Democrats who sabotage progressive policies for the country because of their ego.

Biden might not give you the "feels" that you want in terms of liberal purity, but the dude has delivered his part better than virtually any Dem president since LBJ's Great Society legislation. Do I think he shouldn't be contested in the primary.... no.... but do I think he has a very strong case to be made, and is the overwhelming favorite based on his record??.. Yes. He'll be harder to beat than people think, and no he won't win because the Dem primary is "RIGGED." If South Carolina going first equates to "Rigging" the primary then you aren't arguing in good faith.

 

He's a crazy mother****er who is also running as a Dem. Qanon must have short-circuited.

 

I very distinctly remember Biden hinting at one-term publicly.

Several anonymously sourced reports came out about it, of course, but he regularly mentioned his age and being a 'transition' candidate.

He never mentioned it specifically, and obviously promised nothing, but it's not a total media creation.

Of course my surprise level he would run again is basically 0%.

 

You are correct. Biden said he would not run if trump stepped out of the picture. Biden would NOT be running if trump was not running. You are 100% right about his Ron klain confirmed it.

Hes only running because he doesn't want a democratic civil war happening with trump on the other side. He's 100% right and he's saving the party.

 

I find your politics to be a lot like your posts: boring, juvenile, naive.

In fact, you exploding like a seagull who ate an Alkaseltzer tablet at the idea of Williamson makes me think she is probably an even better candidate than I thought.

 

I genuinely don't care what you think of my posts at all.

I just find it so funny how people think a gifter who claims she would be an awful Mayor would be a good president. It's just too funny. Thank you!!!

 

My memory is that he has always been aware of his age and was non-committal about whether he would run again or not. The press ran with various versions of that, but the truth is probably that both he and his advisors aren't confident that he can still run given his age. However, they don't want to rule it out and plan to play it by ear as 2024 gets closer. It's very sensible.

 

I'm of a divided mind on this: I would love an open primary (Dems need new blood, so to speak), but my #1 issue is making sure that Trump is not elected again. It's too far out in the future for me to say, and I have not done any research on, what potential Dem candidates are nationally feasible.

I do like a good bit of what Williamson has to say, but getting her elected would be a chore.

 

At this point i don't consider any election a chore or a gimmie.

Hillary was the most 'sure thing' of all time and lost by 40K votes.

Trump was the most unpopular incumbent in living memory and only lost by 70K votes.

It feels like the candidate hardly matters anymore and the election calculus has been completely scrambled.

 

Jen psaki recently said they're planning bus tours and will have biden participating in bicycling events in the near future and they plan on attacking his age issue head on. They aren't going hide behind it.

Not sure where you get your hypothesis from.