Word framing by activists and politicians, especially from the Left

Already went over this.

Both sides do it, but the right is objectively better at it.

It's not really a surprise either, sales & marketing are predominantly conservative industries.

Hell, one need look no further than the grand pubah of all political marketing wizardry.

 

I can't say it's equivalent because if libs hold liberal values dear (free speech, expression, religion) then the twisting of speech by libs to silence or socially oppress should be called out.

It's much like how many call out organized religion because they should act better if they're going to be pious and proud about it.

How libs and progressives got to this point isn't without reason (Trump, deeper polarization of politics, "post-truth" lies, social media surfacing our worst opinions). But you can't compromise your ideals or principles without turning others away from them.

 

**** off, hippie.

Now excuse me while I go doomscroll anti-woke Twitter for more half-true things to be mad about on other people's behalf.

 

Which side falls for stuff like Amway/MLM and self help guru scams?

That's the side that falls for Orwellian propaganda more.

 

That's not really an ideological gap, more of an economic one.

 

Oh boy you might want to look at the history of MLM companies especially Amway.

The MLM culture can only work with the merger of Christian prosperity gospel and capitalism. That is the life force of MLM companies.

 

especially powerful when a word means everything and nothing

W O K E

 

Don’t you mean Fox News, the GOP, and our former criminal in chief?

 

I don't picture a bunch of MAGAs being the target consumer of healing crystals, essential oils, anything Gwyneth Paltrow sells, etc....

In this regard, there's dummies on both sides.

 

Nope. I sincerely suggest you read on the history of the first major MLM networks in America and how they were built from a cult of evangelical prosperity gospel.

There is a reason why MLM "sales people" disproportionately preside in majority white suburban neighborhoods predominately by stay at home Christian moms.

 

The wellness crowd went full QAnon.

 

Then I stand corrected, yall would know a lot more about that particular marketplace than I.

eta: that actually makes total sense given Covid.

And yes, fchowd, I'm fully aware of the history of MLM b.s. like Amway

 

Obligatory George Carlin

 

Let me translate what you basically said; Both sides participate in authoritarian behavior but my side does it for the betterment of others.

I wont speak for others who I feel share similar views. I do not like it when either side tells me how I should believe and attempt to shame me for my own thoughts and beliefs, regardless if they are dated or misaligned. The reality is every single human who has ever existed has a flawed bias. I have high confidence my beliefs and actions are not an extreme out-of-bounds and nor should I be shamed because I refuse to quibble over some minor definition or refuse to die on someone elses hill of anger.

 

All this frustration you have of being forced to say labels by overzealous liberals would erase if you just shut off right wing media.

The worst experience you will fact in real life is a 2 hour PowerPoint presentation about diversity and inclusivity at 4pm when you want to go home from work but the presentation attendence is mandatory.

Please don't compare that to concentrated efforts by right wing media to create the perception that an entire group of humans are child sex groomers.

 

Framing words to get a message across is not authoritarian in and of itself.

Having different messages is what I was addressing. I didn't comment that either side was authoritarian.

If I said I prefer to call dogs four legged meat-eating predators. That isn't authoritarian. If I was in control and said by law dogs shall be referred to as 'four-legged meat-eating predators' that would be authoritarian.

 

Yup. And 99% of the outrage the right has over the left "forcing labels" is outrage over academics creating vocabulary for new concepts and spamming lies that they are being forced to to say these labels. An example would be "birthing person".

 

Which right wing media should I shut off? To elaborate, you are stating the media I consume is right winged. Which media am I consuming?

What I suspect is since I do not lock-step with certain beliefs, I am therefore consuming right-winged media. (Again, the very frequent attitude of 'if you disagree with me, you're the worst version of my enemy'). I have repeatedly stated all people should be respected. You find great offense in that I find the whole transgender debate incredibly stupid and a waste of time, therefore not lock-stepping in your belief that I should be angry and outraged because some people or politicans have made mean comments towards transgenders. This is not my battle and I wish not to participate in it. And you should respect my view and stop being an authoritarian and telling me I should care.

To make my point, I have not read anything accusing an entire group of humans are child sex groomers. This is not a denial that groups of people are doing such actions, I simply have not 'consumed' this media in which you are passively accusing me of consuming. That said, I can use context clues I have picked up here and there accusing transgenders or such other groups of being child groomers...but I don't know. Its an incredibly stupid accusation and I refuse to read it or as I put it, die on someone elses hill of anger.

 

Inaccurately or obfuscating words with the intent of muddling the conversation for political gain is authoritarian. Calling a dog a 'four legged meat-eating predator' as definition is obfuscating.

Calling an illegal immigrant an 'undocumented worker' is obfuscating as not all illegal immigrants are here to work. Its authoritarian when certain groups shame me for using the former word for political gain.
Calling a black person an African American is obfuscating as not all black people have American ties. Its incredibly ignorant to assume all black people have American ties and its authoritarian when certain groups shame me for not using the term unilaterally.