You are a delusional old goat. Guns are a problem. Countries that realize that are safer places to live than a USA with millions of people with guns.
...if China or North Korea ever does decide to invade mainland America... ...and all we have to work with are armed-to-the-gills, mouth-breathing ignoramuses like these clowns, in order to make America great again... ...well... ...at least we all won't have far to travel to learn Mandarin or North Korean...
Imagine the friendly fire deaths and accidental ambushes... Then again, Tucker Carlson and the Party of Trump could well convince them to stand down (or stand "ready") and welcome the "liberators."
Only if she's not part of a gang, or didn't make such a silly mistake. Woodlands Elite cheerleaders shot: Athlete Payton Washington hospitalized after 2 girls were shot outside HEB in Elgin, Texas - ABC13 Houston The four young women drove from the Round Rock area to Woodlands Elite Cheer Company in Oak Ridge three times each week for practice. They used the Elgin H-E-B as a carpool lot for the approximately 360-mile round-trip. Just after midnight, cheerleader Heather Roth said she got out of her friend's car and opened the door to a vehicle she believed to be her own in the H-E-B parking lot. Roth said there was a man sitting in the passenger seat, so she initially panicked, thinking a stranger was inside her car, and got back into her friend's vehicle. When she noticed the man approach their vehicle, she said she rolled down the window to apologize, telling him she thought it was her car. Roth said the man threw up his hands, pulled out a gun, and started shooting.
Great so you agree that guns can and should be regulated. Guns, unlike votes and speech, are far more likely to kill people. That's a minor difference. It demonstrates that you can test for mental illness contrary to your claims. Voting doesn't kill people Only if you have been convicted. Most abusers don't get convicted because they have guns and make their spouse fear them You should have to demonstrate mental stability first. Edge cases are happening 4 times a week - so not so edge. Bad news.
I agree that they already are regulated. I think we should have far fewer regulations of speech and guns. Votes and speech do a lot more damage than privately held guns. I never said you can't test for mental illness. I said the tests are subjective and that there are hundreds of mental illnesses. The fact that the metrics are good enough for a pilot's license doesn't mean they are good enough to take people's rights away. If they involuntarily commit someone, that could be enough. Of course it does. So you want to take people's rights away based only on accusations without trial? That isn't how rights work. You don't have to prove you meet someone's standards to exercise them. This is not a totalitarian dictatorship. What are you talking about? Most of the shootings are by people who cannot legally have guns. The bad guys are the criminals, they can't possess guns. Making it MORE illegal for them to possess guns is meaningless. Increase the penalty for illegally possessing guns and step up enforcement.[/quote]
I think you have to show us how votes kill people. Last time I checked, democracy is a good thing and the only people that died were two during the capitol riots. Not ten's of thousands like guns. Also, not sure that you're qualified as a psychiatrist to say how feasible it is to test people's mental stability. I also think involuntarily commiting someone is far more of taking rights away than preventing them from owning a gun. There is a way to do this where you screen troubled individuals from owning a weapon they don't know how to use responsibly. Not sure why you want to defend crazy people having guns. Rights can be regulated. Their rights are not being taken away. They are being regulated. You can limit the types of weapons someone is allowed to have. If someone has a history of mental illness, just having a psychiatrist sign-off after some therapy sessions as well as having a few acquaintances vouch for that person can greatly reduce the number of mass murders in this country. That's not taking a right away, it's ensuring public safety. Rights can be regulated. We're seeing the impact of people who believe they have the "rights" to shoot someone for merely driving up the wrong driveway, or ringing the wrong bell, or a cheerleader getting into the wrong car. All 3 of those incidence happened this weekend, because an unstable person with a gun was annoyed that someone made a mistaken, and decided they had the RIGHT to shoot them. Those are people who should not have guns. You think they should, and it's ok for them to shoot first and kill people, and then face criminal charges. I feel people's lives matter, and we should do common sense things to prevent tragedies that are beginning to be a daily occurance. This is not what our founding fathers envisioned. The vast majority of mass murders used guns purchased legally. So your "it's the bad guys with illegal guns" theory is totally wrong. If we can not successfully regulate guns, then I support revoking the 2nd amendment and getting rid of all guns. It shouldn't be a right if we are going to let every crazy own a gun.
People voted for politicians that implemented slavery and Jim Crow and the death penalty and wars. These things kill people. Ergo, voting kills people. Not only does it kill people, it kills way more people than privately and legally owned firearms. Involuntarily committing someone is taking rights away, just like preventing someone from bearing arms. Both are deprivations of liberty. Involuntarily committing someone requires due process, as should taking away someone's 2nd Amendment rights. Regulation can amount to deprivation. If you have not had any process, and your rights are completely removed until you do X, that is taking your rights away. All three of those people are being investigated. It will be determined whether or not they were justified in shooting. I very much doubt any of them were done because someone was annoyed. They probably all thought they were about to be victimized. We have a criminal justice system to determine if that belief was reasonable. What about any of those people should have prevented them from owning a gun. Did they all have a history of mental illness? Were they convicted criminals (in which case they would already have been prohibited)? Are you looking at the outcome and then working backward to determine that they shouldn't have had a gun? Thankfully, amending the Constitution is somewhat difficult.
That's some stretch to say voting kills people. Voting isn't murder. If you truly think that, we can't really have a debate. If someone is mentally ill, the should not be in possession of a firearm. If the logic of that doesn't make sense to you, then we are not going to agree. Putting a gun in the hands of someone who has severe anxiety issues, depression, schizophrenia, anger management issues, etc - is pure stupidity. You can't wait until someone is a victim. The right to bear arms can be interpreted different ways and we can debate that until cows come home and not agree. To me anyone who has been associated with anger management issues in any form, should not be able to have a gun. That's due process. You can't control your emotions - you shouldn't have a gun. period. It's just common sense to keep guns out of those people's hands. If you have anger issues you are not a good guy.
These people are dino. When the kids grow up, well regulated militia will have a proper meaning. In the meantime, the well-regulated militia has done a wonderful job this week. Shooting a kid for knocking on his door, a woman for driving up the wrong driveway, and a couple of cheerleaders for opening the wrong car door.
Another mass shooting occurred in gun-safe small town. This time, the shooter had an extensive criminal record. Permitless carry, which allows individuals to carry a gun in public without a permit, background check, or safety training would make American safer - GOP. Maine shooting suspect couldn't legally own guns, records show April 19, 2023 A man who police say killed four people in a home in rural Maine and then shot three others randomly on a busy interstate highway had been released four days earlier from prison, a state official said Wednesday. Eaton had a criminal history with offenses serious enough to have prevented him from legally possessing a gun in Maine, according to state records. The shootings in Maine began in the small town of Bowdoin, where four people were killed Tuesday. Then a chaotic scene developed in which shots were fired at vehicles on an interstate highway over 20 miles (32 kilometers) away in the community of Yarmouth, police said. Three people were shot there, and one remained in critical condition Wednesday.
Cue the: well but he's a criminal and shouldn't have had a gun... Yeah but it took him all of 4 days to get one and use it
This is latest I have seen... "Police said that something resembling a "manifesto" was found alongside the planning documents, describing it as "rambling" and having no particular references to political or social matters as motivations. Other reports have characterized the writings as more of a journal and said that they indicate no obvious motive." They haven't released the manifesto yet.
People who defend gun rights at all costs are playing with fire. There will be a tipping point when people feel enough is enough, and they start voting on getting rid of guns. If the gun folks don't start thinking about how to get guns out of the hands of irresponsible people because they are afraid of it being a slippery slope to guns being banned...well, as a country we'll just jump to banning guns. I've not been pro-gun ban. But I'm getting sick of all these shootings. Either fix the gun laws and regulate it more, or ban guns. One of the two needs to be done.
Sad but true, someone pisses you off, get your gun, someone disrespects you, get your gun, road rage, get your gun. Not a day goes by that I don't wake up and turn on the news and I hear about the shootings from the previous night and its normally some dumb a$$ with a gun that's mad and ends up shooting someone. Criminals are going to get guns no matter what and I have a feeling that quite a lot of these folks are legally buying them. This is our new reality, the gop will not do anything while they take the $$$$ from the NRA.
