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2023 NFL Draft Thread

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  1. coachbadlee

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    Levis regressed in his 2 seasons. 23 interceptions in 2 seasons is absolutely terrible. No way you take him over Richardson.
     
  2. coachbadlee

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    I think you should take a rest from all this draft talk. Its starting to affect your posts.
     
  3. cmoak1982

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    14 for AR in far less attempts. Levis had a lot better numbers than AR
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    Says the guy wanting to take a guy that can’t throw in AR.
    Stroud is not good, he is Jared Goff reborn. Terrible under pressure
     
  5. houston19519

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    I get your point about that last two seasons in college. But that still doesn’t mean he won’t be a great fit in this offense in the nfl.
     
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  6. Hawkeye84

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    Think your bias is skewing the facts

    2021
    Completion %
    Levis- 66%
    Richardson - 59%

    TDs/Int
    Levis - 24 & 13
    Richardson - 6 & 5

    QB rating
    Levis - 148.3
    Richardson - 144.1


    2022
    Completion %
    Levis- 65%
    Richardson - 54%

    TDs/Int
    Levis - 19 & 10
    Richardson - 17 & 9

    QB rating
    Levis - 151.9
    Richardson - 131

    Based on actual numbers, appears Levis has out performed Richardson each year. Looks like Richardson regressed more than Levis.
     
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  7. Fulgore

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    With the qb play we’ve seen since 2021 I’d gladly take Goff 2.0 Goff isn’t elite but a very good qb
     
  8. Mr.Scarface

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    Waste a pick on **** QBs. Not. Bennett is probably going undrafted. Take a RB at 12 when you have a RB that was leading rookies last season when he got hurt. Not going to happen. WR is more of a need.
     
  9. ROXRAN

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    The only QB I want at 2 is Young if he's gone go with Will Anderson at 2 and next best talent at 12 - if a QB drops then trade up - grab him - done
     
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  10. Billy O Butts

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    Pick 2: Bryce Young

    (Panthers made the trade to #1 back in early March, after the combine. Bryce Young did not have his pro day until after. I am sticking with my guns, believing the Panthers knew they had their guy at the combine, and everything else leading up to the draft is purely bait for the Texans to ape in on a trade for Young.)

    Pick 12:
    Nolan Smith

    (Texans do not need another WR this year with Metchie, Collins, Shultz, Woods. Robinson will be gone IMO, we have Pierce, not too worried. Nolan Smith is an athletic freak, gives me Micah Parsons vibes and he knows how to use his arms and body very well, regardless of some saying he is too small. I can see Ryans having a field day with this guy.)
     
  11. J.R.

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    Greg Cosell and Doug Farrar: Paths to NFL success for top draft QBs

    C.J. Stroud needs to be quick, but not to hurry.
    At his core, C.J. Stroud is a pocket passer with some movement skills who has the best ball placement of any quarterback in this class. He must be in a system that continues his development toward staying within himself, and avoiding negative freneticism.

    Greg: “I think that his ability to work in contested pockets — I’m not talking about leaving the pocket; I’m talking about when there’s bodies around you, which will happen far more in the NFL than it did at Ohio State… will he hurry himself? Will he stay poised and composed? Will his echanics and fundamentals remain the same? Or will he hurry himself, and there are always issues when quarterbacks do that.

    “I think in some ways, and this will sound bold and controversial, but it’s not to me — but you could make the argument that Stroud is an equal prospect, and just as good as, Trevor Lawrence when he came out of Clemson. But this is where coaching comes into play. The things that Doug Pederson and his staff did really helped Trevor Lawrence, and I think that’s critical. They speeded him up. He was very deliberate in everything he did. It didn’t really come out at Clemson; you had to dig deep to find that when he was under duress, he would rush himself and hurry himself, and he became wild high. He became a little scattershot.

    “It’s the old John Wooden maxim: ‘Be quick, but don’t hurry.’ I think you’ll have to do that with Stroud a little bit, as well.”

    Bryce Young needs to be Steph Curry in a Sean Payton-style offense.
    Bryce Young is a smaller quarterback who has transcended that outlier liability with a very good (if not generational) arm, effective and efficient mobility, and a head for the game that had his coaches giving him full command of the playbook on the field. Young also has an amazing feel in the pocket, and you blitz him at your peril. He’ll need to be a point guard at the next level.

    Greg: “Ultimately, you want him to be a timing and rhythm player. You want the ball to come out. He’s not going to be a ‘Sit on his back foot, sit in the pocket, and drive the ball’ kind of quarterback. That’s not what he’s going to be, and he wouldn’t sit there that long, because in some ways, he’s very much like Patrick Mahomes in his sense of spatial awareness — his understanding of where his people are, and where the defense is. He’s not going to be a late-in-the down pocket thrower with bodies in his face.

    “He has a Ph.D in the subtleties of the position, beginning with the pre-snap process. You need to win mentally, and Young can do that. He has a good arm, but he doesn’t have a big arm, or a power arm. If he’s forced to sit in the pocket, and his balance isn’t perfect, there are certain throws he’s not going to be able to make. He’s going to need a team that’s… almost like Drew Brees. When you think of the Saints, and you think of what Sean Payton did with the center and the guards, the center and the guards control the depth of the pocket. He needs the depth of the pocket controlled. He needs to be able to see, and to be able to step into throws. I’m not making an apples-to-apples comparison with Young and Brees, but with him, you need to make sure you control the depth of the pocket.”

    Anthony Richardson needs to be the epicenter of his offense from the run game out.
    Anthony Richardson brings a toolkit to the quarterback position that we’ve never really seen at the NFL level. He’s built like an edge-rusher, runs like a track star, and his arm is pure howitzer. But his inexperience, and developmental nature as a passer at this time, could prevent him from NFL success if he’s put in charge of the wrong offense.

    Greg: “When I watched Richardson and thought about his transition, to me, you have to run the Eagles’ offense. You need an offense in which the quarterback run game, which is going to be significant with Anthony Richardson, dictates how the defense has to play. The Eagles had two top wideouts, and a top-5 tight end, and that obviously helped, but the Eagles’ passing game functioned really, really well because of what they knew they were going to get from the defense because of the run game element. Jalen Hurts was everything in the Eagles’ offense. He was the system.

    “I talked to a coach at the combine who was with the Eagles, and he told me that the number of pass-game concepts they had was relatively limited, because they didn’t need more. They could master those concepts, and then when you had really good players, which Richardson may or may not have wherever he goes, the passing game didn’t need to be so multi-dimensional. You get certain things that have to happen defensively because of the run game element that Hurts gives you, and that Richardson can give you.”

    Will Levis needs an NFL-style passing game, and a very specific one.
    Will Levis is a big, tough, mobile quarterback with a great arm, toughness on the field, times where he’ll blow you away with splash plays, and more times where he’ll frustrate you with the incomplete and inconsistent nature of his accuracy and field-reading. He needs things to be defined for him, especially when he gets to the NFL.

    Greg: “I think if you go back to 2021, that’s when [offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach] Liam Coen was there. In 2021, he was a really comfortable player. The Kentucky passing game was built on NFL formations and NFL route concepts, and Levis understood the progressions that come from those concepts. In 2022, Rich Scarangello was there, and he’s an NFL guy as well, but for whatever reason, and we don’t know why because we weren’t there, it just wasn’t comfortable for Levis. Levis was not as rhythmic and efficient.

    “He needs an offense like the Rams, like what Liam Coen did. [Coen was with the Los Angeles Rams from 2018 through 2020, and again in 2022]. He needs an offense that features conventional play-action, which is play-action from under center. He needs more defined reads and throws. Less full-field reads that demand higher-level processing traits. Maybe with more experience, he’ll get to that level, but I think that 2021 gives you a much better feel for how he could transition to the league.”
     
  12. zeeshan2

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    lol young does not have a generational arm and stroud was not as good as Trevor
     
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  13. Hawkeye84

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    Generational in this context does not mean Herculean strength but rather putting the ball where it needs to be when it needs to be there. Anyone that says he has the strongest of arms is lying but he has enough to be very successful.
     
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  14. J.R.

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    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...nal-takeaways-from-studying-this-draft-class/

    What are we doing with Hendon Hooker?

    So not exactly a take, but let me explain my thought on the Tennessee quarterback. Hooker has a great story. He seems like a nice guy. But what are we doing speculating him going in the first round? He's 25. That absolutely matters. Trevor Lawrence isn't 25 until 2024. Beyond that, he tore his ACL in late November. So he's unlikely to be fully ready for the start of his rookie season. He'll be 30 at the end of his rookie deal. Hooker simply doesn't provide anywhere close to the same ROI possibility as 99% of quarterback prospects.

    Even if a team can look past the age, Hooker's coming from a completely wide open Air Raid offense that featured the most wide-open layup-type long balls I've seen since Tua Tagovailoa's final season at Alabama. The tight-window, high-degree of difficulty throws are truly hard to find. I didn't see great downfield touch on long tosses that required it either. While mobile, Hooker doesn't appear to be a high-level athlete who'll be able to turn to his legs as a last resort often in the NFL, when he recovers from injury. His arm is good, not great, and it's rare that he makes a strong, high-velocity throw while improvising.


    All of that indicates Hooker should be a Day 2 or even early Day 3 flier, not a first-round pick.
     
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  15. Sooty

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    I think when we consider “generational” arm talent. It’s basically something that comes around once a generation, which in theory means only one person in the NFL has generational arm talent!
     
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  16. houston19519

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    Future Texan possibly?:eek:
     
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  17. Dredd

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    Why do I feel the Texans will screw this up?
     
  18. Hawkeye84

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    History?
     
  19. Sooty

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    Would consider, vs blowing up a first. Boom/Bust, low cost and we can always revisit next year.
     
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  20. Dredd

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    Let's take it way back to last year? lol.

    I think we will hear a name at #2 that would have gone #19th.
     
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