The Texans HAVE to draft Bryce Young

raining threes · Apr 16, 2023

Two Sandwiches said: ↑

Do you believe Lance over the S2 guy?

Just curious, no judgement.
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Yes I believe LZ, he's known for solid intel.

raining threes · Apr 16, 2023

Two Sandwiches said: ↑

I wouldn't be upset by this. It represents this franchise taking a chance for once in its existence.
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Why not take a chance on Levis?

Not that I want them to do this.

zeeshan2 · Apr 16, 2023

Two Sandwiches · Apr 16, 2023

raining threes said: ↑

Why not take a chance on Levis?

Not that I want them to do this.
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I'm okay with it. Just would rather it be at 4-6.

raining threes · Apr 16, 2023

Two Sandwiches said: ↑

I'm okay with it. Just would rather it be at 4-6.
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I'm torn because I really don't like any of these. QB'S. I say this knowing that 1-2 or these guys will workout. But I just don't think there's a championship level QB in this draft.

zeeshan2 · Apr 17, 2023

zeeshan2 · Apr 18, 2023

J.R. · Apr 18, 2023

Please lock this thread.

Who’s next on your big board @Two Sandwiches

Texans HAVE to draft [Will Anderson]?
Texans HAVE to draft [Tyree Wilson]?
Texans HAVE to draft [Will Levis]?
Texans HAVE to draft [Anthony Richardson]?
Texans HAVE to [trade down]?

zeeshan2 · Apr 18, 2023

Bryce Young's fatal flaw: He's small

Of the four players we're looking at, Young was the only prospect who wasn't below average in at least one of the categories in the radar chart above.

He was a revelation at the collegiate level, a five-star prospect (No. 5 overall in the 2020 recruiting class) who won the Heisman in his first year as a starter, then produced nearly identical numbers with a more flawed supporting cast in 2022.

2021: 67% completion rate, 13.3 yards per completion, 47-to-7 TD-to-INT ratio, 6.3% sack rate, 87.2 Total QBR
2022: 65% completion rate, 13.6 yards per completion, 32-to-5 TD-to-INT ratio, 4.2% sack rate, 86.2 Total QBR

Granted, saying Young's supporting cast was more flawed doesn't mean it was bad. He still played for Alabama, after all. But he took the field in 2022 without left tackle (and top-10 pick) Evan Neal and five of 2021's top six receiving targets, and he faced more awkward downs and distances in part because of penalties. Still, he almost perfectly replicated his Total QBR numbers and actually lowered his sack rate.

If Young were 6-foot-2, 215 pounds, he would be a no-brainer No. 1 pick. But he's not. He measured at 5-foot-10, 204 pounds, nearly the same as Kyler Murray (5-foot-10, 207) but without Murray's elite speed and mobility. He's fast but not Murray fast. I've seen a Drew Brees comp pop up more frequently of late -- and a half-Brees, half-Murray split isn't entirely inaccurate -- but even Brees measured in at 6-foot-0, 213. Brees was one of the best pocket passers in NFL history; will 2 fewer inches of height make a big difference?

Young has just about the quickest release you'll ever see and seemed to make decisions at hyperspeed in college. His deep-ball passing was merely fine, and while his out-of-pocket numbers were easily the best of anyone in this draft class, (a) again, those stats are more volatile, and (b) out-of-pocket passes accounted only for about one-sixth of his overall sample. He is quick enough that he should avoid taking too many huge hits (which balances out some of the size factor), and the extra slivers of pocket adversity that he faced in 2022 might end up coming in handy. But his size is nearly without precedent for a pocket passer, and if that ends up scaring off Carolina at No. 1 -- or if it turns out his ceiling is lower than that of other prospects once they actually get reps at the pro level -- those measurable limitations will likely explain why.

(By the way, it doesn't appear Carolina is being scared off. As of Monday night, Caesars lists Young's odds of going No. 1 at -1000, equivalent to more than a 90% chance. He's probably going No. 1.)
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/dr...ack-fatal-flaws-young-stroud-levis-richardson

Two Sandwiches · Apr 18, 2023

J.R. said: ↑

Please lock this thread.

Who’s next on your big board @Two Sandwiches

Texans HAVE to draft [Will Anderson]?
Texans HAVE to draft [Tyree Wilson]?
Texans HAVE to draft [Will Levis]?
Texans HAVE to draft [Anthony Richardson]?
Texans HAVE to [trade down]?
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Don't dash my dreams until the card's been turned in.

Fulgore · Apr 18, 2023

nigma2000 · Apr 19, 2023

Trader_Jorge said: ↑

Guys, this is a gift. RECEIVE IT. An elite pass rusher elevates our entire defense, and the hit rate on highly drafted pass rushers is something that we can feel good about. We have no reason to take a massive risk at the top of the draft on a QB class that pundits agree is mediocre.
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If this team takes another pass rusher at the top of the draft then they have learned nothing. It will be Mario Williams and Clowney all over again.

Hemingway · Apr 19, 2023

nigma2000 said: ↑

If this team takes another pass rusher at the top of the draft then they have learned nothing. It will be Mario Williams and Clowney all over again.
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Or it could be a Von Miller, JJ Watt, or Tj Watt

zeeshan2 · Apr 19, 2023

I hope this is true lol, probably not:

Bryce Young canceling his visit with the Carolina Panthers is a telling sign for what is to come.

The former Alabama star quarterback should be the first player taken in the 2023 NFL Draft. He is the best player at the most important position on the field entering the draft this year. Young may be undersized, but he plays with a certain magic that is hard to quantify. Rather than say he is the next Drew Brees or Russell Wilson, we probably dealing with potentially the next Joe Burrow here.

So when Panthers general manager Scott Fitterer mentioned Young canceled his visit, oh, boy…

Could this indicate that new head coach Frank Reich got his way? While we all know that he doesn’t do short quarterbacks, this slightly shocking cancelation could indicate that Carolina may take either Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud or Florida’s Anthony Richardson with the top overall selection.

What does this mean for the Panthers and Young going forward in the lead-up to the NFL Draft?

NFL Draft rumors: Carolina Panthers may not take Bryce Young with No. 1 pick
From a talent evaluation standpoint, combined with need, Young is one of three players worthy of going first overall to the Panthers next Thursday night. It all really depends on how you rank Richardson, Stroud and Young, one-two-three. Richardson has the highest upside of them all, but has the lowest floor. Stroud is the safest candidate, while I believe that Young is the smartest bet.
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https://fansided.com/2023/04/18/nfl-draft-rumors-bryce-young-canceled-panthers-visit/

Jay713 · Apr 19, 2023

zeeshan2 said: ↑

I hope this is true lol, probably not:

https://fansided.com/2023/04/18/nfl-draft-rumors-bryce-young-canceled-panthers-visit/
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Nonsense. He didn’t “cancel his visit with the Panthers”. Lol. He canceled visits with anyone else after he visited with Panthers and Texans. He’s going #1. Or #2 (hopefully).

zeeshan2 · Apr 19, 2023

desihooper · Apr 19, 2023

Jay713 said: ↑

Nonsense. He didn’t “cancel his visit with the Panthers”. Lol. He canceled visits with anyone else after he visited with Panthers and Texans. He’s going #1. Or #2 (hopefully).
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The problem with giving everyone a megaphone and platform

zeeshan2 · Apr 20, 2023

zeeshan2 · Apr 21, 2023

PROJECTED: Round 1

At this point, it’ll be a major surprise within the league if the Carolina Panthers draft someone other than Young at No. 1 overall on April 27, his diminutive stature notwithstanding.

“The guy who can just play is Bryce Young,” an AFC GM said. “Is he going to be 185 pounds? He’s such a good processor and thinker and accurate, it probably works. They’re taking him. Just write it in. I would bet my house.”

Said an NFC executive: “I’d be shocked if Bryce didn’t go first. If I was Carolina and I wanted to win right now, that’s the guy I would take. I think he’s the most ready to do it. He’s a phenomenal kid. He’s unbelievably intelligent. (Former Alabama OC) Bill O’Brien holds him in really high regard, and it matches up when you meet with him.”

A two-year starter and team captain who won the Heisman Trophy and Maxwell Award as a true sophomore in 2021, Young brings everything to the table that teams look for in terms of makeup and skill set. He’s just smaller than most NFL QBs, measuring in at 5-foot-10 1/8 and a beefed-up 204 pounds at the 2023 NFL Scouting Combine.

“Bryce is super talented. Good arm talent. Probably of all of them, seems to be the most groomed to play quarterback,” an NFC coordinator said. “He’s a super smart dude -- almost feels like talking to a coach at times. Bryce has obviously got the size issues that can become really real when it comes to the guys that’s going to be in front of you, being able to withstand contact and having to manufacture ways to change your arm angle, get a window. But when I watch his tape, if you didn’t tell me how tall he was, I wouldn’t know, because it never showed up.”

Scouts who went through Alabama last fall say Young was playing in the mid-180s, and he has a naturally smaller frame.

“If Bryce was bigger -- and I don’t necessarily mean taller, just if he wasn’t such a frail body -- it’d be, blowing away, him as the No. 1 pick,” another NFC coordinator said. “He’s a natural thrower. Accuracy’s easy for him. That’s the difference between him and the rest.”

Said an NFC scout: “Bryce is just the most natural processor, mover. I hate saying it, but that Steph Curry comparison is actually pretty good, because he’s so nifty and quick and smart and gets the ball out and is accurate. I don’t think the height affects his play at all. He has natural anticipation and field vision and somehow is able to see things a lot smoother than Russell (Wilson) even. Then it’s just kind of a risk, durability-wise. But you’ve seen him get hit, you’ve seen him get up. And he’s so instinctive -- how many times is he going to get a free rusher from the back side that he doesn’t see? He understands how to evade and get down and not get completely smoked.”

In 36 college games (27 starts), Young completed 65.8 percent of his passes for 8,356 yards and 80 touchdowns with just 12 interceptions. After playing as a reserve behind eventual first-round pick Mac Jones on the Crimson Tide team that won the national championship in the 2020 season, Young missed just one game over two seasons as the starter, with an AC joint injury to his right (throwing) shoulder last October that lingered for the rest of the season. He wrapped his collegiate career by opting to play in the Sugar Bowl on New Year's Eve and was named MVP in a win over Kansas State.

Said an AFC GM: “I think Young is the most polished passer (in the 2023 class). I would be concerned about his frame, less from the perspective of 'Is he going to be able to perform?' and more from the perspective of 'Is he going to be able to hold up year after year?' We saw it with Kyler (Murray). We saw it a little bit with Baker (Mayfield). And [Young’s] not necessarily the freak athlete to avoid all sorts of contact. That wouldn’t prevent me from taking him high; I think he’s going to be a really good passer and a really good quarterback. I just think there might be some type of planning where you have to invest a little bit more in that No. 2 quarterback spot in the event [Young's] frame doesn’t allow him to be this 17-game starter for 10 years in a row.”

Despite the concerns over his stature, his hand size (9 3/4 inches) is solid for a smaller QB. One NFC quarterbacks coach praised Young's accuracy: "You haven't seen that coming out of the draft in a long time." Young also scored off the charts on the S2 Cognition test some teams use to measure players’ ability to process information.

“He’s got unbelievable instincts and awareness in the passing game,” another NFC QBs coach said. “If you threw out the height on this kid, I don’t think it’d even be a debate about who’s going No. 1. He’s just got such an unbelievable feel for the game when you watch him. You can see what he can do for your team in terms of being able to distribute the ball. His processing shows up on tape.”

Said an AFC scout: “It was Bill O’Brien’s offense. [Young’s] like second behind (Tom) Brady in terms of football intelligence. He could handle everything at the line of scrimmage probably like an NFL quarterback. Super poised. He’s accurate. He’s got a good arm -- not a great arm, but it’s still good at all the levels. Super poised, too. You just don’t see him rattled. They didn’t lose that Tennessee game because of him. You’ve just got to worry about his size. He’s tough. He’s taken some big-time shots from some big dudes; he’s hopped up. It’s just, how many of those are you going to take?”

Coaches can manage that in part by the style of offense they build around Young.

“If you’re going for best combination of route anticipation/accuracy, you’re going Bryce Young -- but then also knowing you’re not going to do a lot of read-option/QB runs with him and you’re going to be willing to manipulate the pocket,” a second NFC executive said. “I always put accuracy and anticipation ahead of arm strength, [and Young’s] got the best combination of the two in the last several drafts. You’re just getting it in a 5-10 frame. He’s not Kyler, where he’s super twitched up and elusive. He’s an outlier, where he’s going to take shots because he’s not an elusive runner. So that off-schedule stuff -- he’s going to take contact. What does that look like over a 17-game season?”

Everyone who has interviewed Young during the pre-draft process has come away impressed, which makes sense: He has been groomed his entire life for this moment. And he’s still only 21 years old.

“He could be an offensive coordinator right now," said a third NFC executive. "He’s that calm, that mature, that special.“
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Two Sandwiches · Apr 25, 2023

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Don't dash my dreams until the card's been turned in.
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@J.R. , so you're saying there's a chance?

Could it be time for a thread resurrection?

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