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Kansas City Teen Shot going to Wrong House

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Apr 17, 2023.

  1. tinman

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    Man the mug shot
    Dude looked like a retired mob boss
     
  2. ROCKSS

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    So an old white dude kills an innocent black kid who didn't break in and is standing outside...........shoots him and then goes out and shoots him again for good measure. Are we in bizzaro world and we are back in the 1940`s? It's just fairly common to shoot people who are standing outside our house, is that the new normal now?
     
  3. JuanValdez

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    You think this 85 year old man was suffering from poor values, unemployment, and lack of education and that's why he tried to murder someone? :confused:
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    There has been a, perhaps, subconscious movement to make it the new normal. The right has been treating vigilantes as heroes. They talk about how the shooter/killer in many of these cases had every right to kill the citizens and take the law into their own hands to 'protect' themselves and their family. They keep spreading the message that good guys with guns can solve so many problems. So it is natural that an old white guy with potential biases would assume he's just following in line with the message that has been hammered into his media over and over.
     
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    Fairly confident he wasn't talking about the white man. Seems like he was talking about the black teenager with "poor values" who was going to pick up his brother and his "lack of education" that comes with being in the high school band and hoping to go to TAMU to study engineering.
     
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  6. Xopher

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    Obviously this kid was poorly educated. If he were a top student he would be going to MIT, Stanford, or GA Tech, not TAMU
     
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  7. El_Conquistador

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    I hope this isn't a controversial statement, but I think an underpinning problem here is crime in the black community that causes people to be concerned for their safety. If we can fix this, then we can start to address the root cause of the issue. That's the goal and the desire -- to fix it. What conditioned the shooter to be fearful in that moment? I would have to imagine it was previous crimes in his neighborhood or community. That's what has to be addressed. I'm interested in mature discussions to find solutions. My solutions were to uplift all communities, regardless of color, through improved family values, greater access to education, and greater access to household-supporting employment.
     
  8. JayGoogle

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    Bro, how are we talking about black crime in a thread about a black kid shot for knocking on a door?

    The fact you bringing this up in this thread is part of the problem. You're talking about how people shouldn't be painted with a broad brush but seem intent on talking about black people being criminals, do you not see how you are part of the problem? Even if you're just a troll.
     
  9. leroy

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    This is as rational as one can be about what you're saying. You are literally removing all blame from the shooter. He shot a kid through a glass door without any hint of a threat.

    Those are just meaningless platitudes...not solutions as you don't provide any means of how any of those things change the fact that a racist old white man shot a black kid through a glass door who was absolutely no threat to him.
     
  10. DatRocketFan

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    Root cause of the issue is racism, not the crime in black communities.

    What a load of nonsense, u think fixing crimes that occur in black communities gonna stop folks from hating/being racist? Some folks have been raised on hating black folks.

    If u want to end sht like this from occurring, u need to invest more on education to the racists. Teach folks to recognize and understand their white privilege

    Dude i can just imagine u gaslighting the poor black kid, blaming the crimes committed in his community for being the reason why he got shot, not the dude that was being a racist.

    U should try to figure out on how to end racism instead of blaming the folks that are receiving the hate.
     
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    Wow, what a pig.
     
  12. JuanValdez

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    Wow, not even dog whistling anymore. Just straight up racism. That's what I get for clicking Show Ignored Content.
     
  13. DatRocketFan

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    Trader_Jorge to the kid that got shot: kid the reason why u got shot in the head and arm and almost died. Wasn't because the victim hate u b/c of your skin color, it was b/c the crimes committed in your community scared him.

    If we just improved your family values, give u greater access to education, and greater access to household-supporting employment then next time the man wouldn't be so afraid of your skin color.

    Felt dirty typing this nonsense take.
     
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    I agree that racism is a root cause. One of several root causes. I think to make progress on the issue, both sides of the debate have to stop and question whether the other side has a valid point. I think that the reason the shooter picked up a gun was because of fear, not because of racism. What caused the fear? A stranger at his door? Probably. Did recent crime in his neighborhood or city impact how he perceived the person at this door? I would have to say yes, if we're being honest. If an elderly woman was at his door, he's probably not concerned. He's playing the odds as he assesses risk, which is unfair to the person in front of him, but derived from the actions of others.

    I do agree with the shooter being charged and let's let the legal process play out. Discussing topics involving race is always hard because people's identities (and emotions) are woven into it. People are wounded when they hear things they don't like. Unfortunately this impedes progress on the issues because we have to stay at the surface and tip toe. In the long run, it hurts people to do that... as it prevents finding solutions.
     
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    If you're that ****ing scared perhaps you shouldn't open your ******* door. Maybe yell "Who is it?" The kid could have said "I'm here to pick up my siblings" Old scared racist could have yelled "You have the wrong place". Nah this mother ****er shoots the kid in the head through the glass then shoots him again when he is on the ground. Then doesn't have the ****ing humanity to call 911. Yet you want to blame this on black crime?
     
  16. DatRocketFan

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    kid is still alive, last i checked.
     
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  17. DatRocketFan

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    No stop.
    This is not a both side is at fault situation.

    The man was a racist who shot an innocent black kid, who's only crime was ringing a door bell.

    U resolve racism, u will end situation like this from occurring. Do not gaslight the victim and absolve the man's shtty racist behavior.

    The shooter attempted to double tap a black kid, that's not fear, that's hatred.

    Come back with a solution of resolving racism before blaming it on the victim and the black community.
     
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    Why?
     
  19. El_Conquistador

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    And what is your solution for resolving racism?
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    Because I don't think the state has mishandled the case thus far.
     
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