That is your opinion and you have a right to it. But those seem subjective and objectively he's elite by NBA standards with his peers as coaches as the measuring stick, landing in the HOF area of success. As far as player development for context, here is Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce describing how he pushed them to get better in player development. Ultimately making them NBA champions. Saying he has never developed a young player in his life I disagree with, here are the young players he played in Boston, he also helped Maxey develop on the 76ers. https://www.clipsnation.com/2016/5/11/11645204/does-doc-rivers-play-young-players-clippers If you genuinely want to understand his philosophy, the Netflix special on his coaching is one you should watch. For context, Atkinson has never sniffed postseason wins after his regular season. One can be subjective or use feeling to judge a coach based on skillset, I'm more of an objective results person, especially over 25 years of evidence in a huge sample. This is Doc after winning a championship with Boston, which came after his regular season wins. I don't debate basketball to change minds, as most people won't change their minds depsite showing them objective evidence. But just wanted to flesh out the debate for others. What makes an elite coach? Anyhow, we'll agree to disagree and most of your posts I enjoy have a good one.
Sorry but you are literally intentionally keeping context out of the discussion. 1) He is not objectively an elite HC (that's not what objective means). You don't find lots of analysts and lots of fans not liking an elite HC. Doc Rivers is a choker when it comes to finishing playoff series and no elite HC has ever had to deal with that tag. That he had two of the biggest choke jobs of the last few decades is an objective truth. That 7 years of infinite spending and talent as well as control of front office and coaching did not even result in a conference finals is a major fail. There are no elite HC's like that. 2) Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce were max players when Doc arrived. It's cool they're being nice here, but Rivers robbed them of at least one other title. They should not have lost to a team that had Gasol as its 2nd best player and Bynum as its third. 3) If you watched the show, please let us know what his philosophy is. I bet even if you watched it, you would find it hard to articulate. I am 1000000000% not going to watch a whole netflix series about a mediocre coach. 4) That is the most below average list of developed youngsters I've ever seen in my life of an elite HC. Stephen Silas has a better development record than that. 5) Atkinson's case is based on the context and not on the out of context regular season record i.e. what did a person do with what they received and what would a replacement level coach have been able to achieve. I don't know why you asked my how I think about this and then proceeded to spam me with things that I clearly said don't mean anything to me. 6) Apparently, for you what makes a good coach is their stats out of context plus some anecdotes that Rivers approved in a tv series. Thanks for fleshing out the debate.
Doc Rivers sucks ass… Overrated ass Head coach. Does well in the regular season but sucks ass in the playoffs! Pass!!!
My thoughts are that his championship experience will be almost irrelevant at our stage. His passion will translate, as he is near opposite Silas as one could be. and we do need that. We need an infusion of passion. But none of it matters if he can't develop the players individually. That's the only significant goal. Add in a little team development here and there. And then we can move to the next stage of maturity on the court.
my guess is rox will interview alien as practice for the real interviews with the big 3 names. he’d be a good assistant as an extraterrestrial intelligence
When I think of Sam Cassell, I think of Coach Jason Kidd. A player-coach who is afraid to tell players what to do, Kidd is afraid to tell Luka to hit the gym, or stop complaining. Mavs issue is Cuban... anyway, this goes to Cassell, does he have the fortitude to tell the players. I have reservation that he can he will hammer his players. We @#$@#$@ should of hired the Atl Hawks guy, ex-j*zz coach.
I mean, that does tell us he's great at developing guards. What does it tell us about how good he is at the rest of the job though? If you told me Sam was coming in as an assistant coach I would be thrilled and would have no reservations at all. But I still don't have the best feel for what his overall style and personality would be as a head coach, how good he is at offensive/defensive planning and creating schemes and drawing up plays, how good he is at managing a locker room and keep personalities in check and holding guys accountable, working with players at other positions... Not going to say I'd be disappointed if the Rockets hired him; if we land Scoot or Amen Thompson in the draft, I'll even be cautiously optimistic because so much of our future is going to be invested in developing that guy plus Green. But I am a little wary. There's a lot we don't know about how Cassell would perform as the main guy.
Baron Davis. LeBron James. Monta Ellis. Stephen Curry. Kemba Walker. Jalen Brunson. Luka Doncic. What do they all have in common? They had the good fortune of being coached at the beginning of their careers by Stephen Silas. He's 20 years in as an assistant & still seeking his first head coaching job. Ridiculous.
Dude is a Rockets legend and one of my favorite players ever, but when a guy has this good of a resume, good name recognition, and still hasn't been given a HC role there's usually a reason. Team's keep passing on him, when (on paper) he should have been HC somewhere a decade ago. We desperately need someone who will take absolute command of a locker room, and I don't think Sam is that kind of guy.
If there's one guy who could make KPJ or Scoot if we draft him or even Green into solid PGs then it's Cassell. But I am 100% convinced we're only interviewing again as a common courtesy.
Such a silly statement. Silas did wonders with Curry, Doncic, etc and look how that turned out for us. Assistant coaches get to focus on specific tasks rather than be big picture kind of guys. I know Sam hasn't gotten an opportunity, but there may be a reason for that and it may be that he just does not have a good overall feel for the big picture.
To add little context, Silas' GSW tenure (4 yrs) was under Don Nelson. Nelly was a decent head coach, but Silas overlapped less so with Steph Curry, and mostly with Monta Ellis. Silas was with with Curry for a year (his rookie year). He was one of five main assistants. Think folks should be careful with this association of Silas to Curry's success. More like a shoulder brush, two ships passing in the night... than an actual catalyst. Silas at GSW: 2006-07 - Davis & Ellis 2007-08 - Davis & Ellis 2008-09 - CJ Watson & Ellis 2009-10 - Ellis & Curry 2010-11 - Keith Smart (assistant) takes over for Don Nelson as Nelly's regime ends. Silas went back to his dad (Hornets), in the same season, where they had the infamous record of 7-59; under Rich Cho and Michael Jordan. This is also when Silas hooked up with DJ Augustin. 2011-12 - Mark Jackson era starts. As far as timeline, it's more like Silas (and the others) were cleared, so Steph Curry could take his real leap.
