If you want to trade out, why wouldn't you want to maximize the potential value of that first pick by having the worst record? It's not like they were about win a ring. This is what I don't get when people say it's either Wembanyama or trade the pick. Fine, then if it's not Wembanyama, would you rather have the #5 pick or the #6/#7/#later pick to trade? It's like I don't think that #20 pick is a great pick, but if we keep it, I hope it's a steal. I would've rather had the #18 pick in either case if we decide to pick or to trade it.
Genuine question for the Clutchfans folks here: when was the last time a team traded away a top 6 pick and got better IN RETROSPECT?
LOL - dude, you don't know what they will do, and neither do I, this is a place where we put our opinions down on what we think they should do, so just calm your t*tties down and relax and enjoy some quality discourse..... DD
Just convince yourself we're going to get the #6 pick and you won't be disappointed. It was the same chance of us losing our pick to the Thunder, so hopefully this isn't the year to pay the piper.
Let's go, just need to keep getting lucky. Plus at the end of the day we have a 50% chance of the 1st pick, we get it or we don't.
We are still not getting #1 overall, better get ready for Brandon Miller, KPJ already calls him twin and he will fit right in.
In 4 years, it's gone from contending against the broken KD+Steph super team to being excited about the draft coin flip day. Not the draft lottery, certainly not the actual NBA draft...but a tiebreaker to slightly reduce our odds slipping out of the top 5. How times have changed lol
Because you don't maximize your odds for the first 3 picks in a lottery system. You have about the same odds finishing bottom 3 and I don't care about the floor, 5 or 7 is not much difference when you are looking to trade and need to attach players and other assets anyway. DD
I know the odds. lol. You just make no sense. It's like you're saying "we're going to suck, but I don't care if we get the #7 or #5 pick whether we keep it or trade it". Despite you saying "there's not much difference", there is a difference, so why not use it to our advantage?
I no longer believe you can completely build through the draft, and I believe we should be looking to flip players right now, as we have too many young players. No one in the draft is a GUARANTEED superstar, they are all 19 year old kids, and oh sure the national media is out there giving all these CHILDREN reach arounds like best ever, and people fall for that bullshit, when the truth is most of them will take YEARS....5-6 years before they will be any good at all. We have enough CHILDREN developing, and we should pick 3-4 of them and sell the rest off for better pieces....... Identify whom you want to keep and get to horse trading that is the ONLY way to get better - you can't build through the draft anymore no one will wait around 6 years for the players to be good not even the players themselves they will opt out ASAP to get out of a losing situation. So, this year is it....we have Cap room, we have a couple of picks - and we have too many young players - TRADING is how you get out of the cellar - or you can be Sacremento and wait 20 years to be good and wait 6 years for Fox to get good. Tillman won't wait, and most of the fans won't either. I know I think differently than most people - some are content to just go along with hope, I am much more proactive in what I believe we should do.....be aggressive, use those young guys and see what you can get. Jaylen Brown perhaps? LaMelo maybe? And use the cap room for Cam Johnson and Grant Williams.... Big big offseason and the draft is about as BORING as it can be because most of those players are going to SUCK for years. The draft is much more of a risk than it has ever been......and people fall for that shiny object in the stream mentality....even though more than likely it is Iron Pyrite. DD
In 2014 Cleveland traded the #1 pick, Andrew Wiggins, for Kevin Love. Of course, the main reason they got better was signing Lebron James. Lebron's return put them into win now mode, forcing that trade. They eventually won a championship in 2016. In 2007 Boston traded the #5 pick, Jeff Green, for Ray Allen. They also traded their other prospects, Al Jefferson and Gerald Green, plus picks for KG. It was a complete overhaul to put a super team around Paul Pierce. They went from 24 wins the prior season to 66 wins and the championship the next season.
yep, I don’t understand the argument that it doesn’t matter if we have 28% odds for the 5th pick vs 26% odds for the 6th pick. Considering the entire rationale for our approach the last 3 years was maximizing our draft pick chances (I.e we are betting on getting lucky), how can one argue that getting the best odds doesn’t matter? How can one say that the trade value of #5 is no different than the trade value of #7. It’s straight up irrational. you can argue that it doesn’t make a huge difference but it does make a difference. The odds says so.
You espoused a lot of views there but never answered the question of, "if you know you'll suck, why would you not just get the least probability of getting the worst pick for tanking". No one said you shouldn't trade the pick. What I'm asking is then why wouldn't you want a floor on the possible pick you trade. Your response was basically, "I don't care if we get the 5th or 7th pick, because neither is good enough for us". Great - so wouldn't you rather have the #5 to trade since some other team may/will value it more in any trade package you can come up with for a player they may covet?
Most championship contenders are built through the draft. This has been proven over and over again throughout NBA history. And you might find the draft boring, but some of us don't. Watching young players develop and grow is one of the best things in sports. Sitting in Minute Maid Park watching the youngsters I'd been following since before the draft and all through the minor leagues win the Astros a World Series was one of the best feelings I've ever had as a sports fan. You might be an impatient person who wants to take shortcuts and try to circumvent the normal process for building a contender (which almost never works btw), but not all of us feel that way. Some of us are excited to watch the team gradually improve and watch our young homegrown players get better and better.
