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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. DatRocketFan

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    Never have I heard an mvp caliber player and potentially this season mvp b considered just someone along for the ride getting his a$$ carried by his teammates. Quite an asinine take.
     
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    I agree with the last sentence and that is why I am against trading him at such a young age. In my opinion, you don’t trade any of our big 3 unless it insures us a 50 win team when you do it. We need to find out about our youngsters with a decent coach, before making drastic changes. Signing a vet PG and a defensive backup center is a reasonable plan. We need to keep our powder dry for when acquiring FA’s or trading will make us contenders. Baby steps for 1-2 more years, unfortunately.
     
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    All those personal awards go out the window in the playoffs. Jokic lit it up last year on his own in the playoffs, but his teammates couldnt convert the assists for him. What happened? Last year lose 4-1 to the Warriors and year before swept by PHX ! I give Denver a good shot this season because they've hidden JOkic well on defense and are one of the best 3 pt shooting teams. Lets see Jokic carry his team and prove that post players are relevant in todays playoff NBA.
     
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    Great defensive centers rarely are instrumental in delivering championships either. The Warriors don’t have some anchor defensively in the post. They do it with team defense. I agree unless Sengun gets a terrific mid-range and 3-pt shot, he can’t be the main distributor for a playoff team. Let’s see what a decent coach and another off-season can do for our defense. And, yes, we need a PG.

    Brook Lopez is candidate for DPOY and is way more slow footed than Sengun, so I don’t buy the argument that Sengun will never be a decent defensive player. Celtics will probably be in the championship, because it is about team defense. There is no one-size fits all in the NBA.
     
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    I really don't like folks stance that if said player doesn't win a ring, it validates the sht takes.
    U can literally have the shttiest takes and say well its all true since Said player doesn't win it all.
    Context also matters.
     
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    Yes. In the end, it is a team game.
     
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    There is no one-size fits all in the NBA.

    Some folks should have this sht ingrained into their head.
     
  8. Verbal Christ

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    Its time to put a championship roster together -- the tried and true blueprint is out there for everyone to see and there are still dense guys like yourselves thinking that your POV is clearly better or that a 6 foot shot diet would result in winning championship basketball. :rolleyes:

    Trot out a group of + defenders who can switch everything who can all share playmaking duties and hit the 3 ball consistently. Dont overthink it.
     
  9. DatRocketFan

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    1. We haven't won anything in almost 30 years.
    2. Copying the blueprint doesn't even guarantees a championship.
    3. U build around the players u have and figure out ways to improve.

    U seem like an older poster but for some reason u got brainwashed into thinking that the only way we can have any success is to Trot out a group of + defenders who can switch everything/playmake/shoot 3s.

    U can absolutely win a ring with a dominant big man with a post game. Just bc it hasn't happen recently doesn't mean no one should ever build a team to do it.

    Like in boxing and mma there's different styles, stance and technique. One doesn't have to copy the meta/mainstream style to b successful if they just mastered their own craft. There's no one ultimate technique, if there was mma would just b ma.
     
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    Bruh, he's literally the player you Sengun doubters are craving for. So stop acting the fool and get real.
     
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    Yea we absolutely have to have a 5 that is good on D to win it like Embiid, Gobert, Capela, Zubac, Steven Adams, Adebayo, Myles Turner...Wait a minute.
     
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    No one wants or wanted Gobert. Abayo or prime Donkey on the other hand…
     
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    Dude, they all are craving for rim runner, lob threat, rim protector center. That's Rudy Gobert.
     
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    Do you have a reason to believe he can't?

    Much smaller sample size, and most of his 3-point shots uncontested, but his 3-point % was practically the same as that of Jalen Green last season. And the trend was very positive.

    Actually, he started out with more confidence, did sort of ok in 2021. I can only guess that the coaching staff undermined his confidence in 2022. Or maybe they changed his shooting form. I don't know.

    Calendar year 2021: 12/39 3-pointers (30.77 %)
    Calendar year 2022: 22/103 3-pointers (21.36 %)
    Calendar year 2023 so far: 14/32 3-pointers (43.75 %)

    On the 2022-2023 season, he had 33.3 % on 3-pointers, better than Jabari who had 30.7 %.

    His form looks fine to me.
     
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    His form is fine, but he needs to find a way to speed up that shot, and just gain confidence in immediately taking it when open. He hesitates a lot and his slow release makes him more susceptible to closeouts.

    I think there's a good chance he can improve this offseason though. The work ethic, touch, and mechanics seem to be there, as you said.
     
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    I'm not really sure if he can tbh. Whilst i believe that he's improved from behind the arc but consistently hitting 3's even with low volume? That's not easy. 26 y/o Vucevic was averaging .306 (1 attempt per game) and he improved massively from 26 to 27 but it took him years to get there. It was his 6th or 7th season. It's absolutely not realistic expecting Sengun to improve in more than 1 or 2 departments in couple of months. You can expect him to learn not lowering his arms or not get into the foul trouble with stupid **** but that+3pt+midrange that's ridiculously hard. He's a project. I'd start to get concerned if he turns 24 and still can't make 3's or still hesitates to shoot or still can't defend at all.
     
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  17. chenjy9

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    I have never seen ANY even decent number posters on this BBS say we want someone like Gobert. In fact, I would say that the vast majority of people do NOT want someone like Gobert who the vast majority of CF posters consider super overrated.

    Here is what I HAVE seen most people wanting and asking for is a long, mobile big who can switch multiple positions on defense. Gobert is NOT someone who can do that.
     
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    What exactly do we mean here with 'if he turns 24 and still can't make 3s'?

    He hit 33.3% this season, which happens to be the same as Embiid. There is nothing obviously bad with his shooting form and he passed up a good number of shots that were exactly in the same profile with the shots he took. There is no reason to believe he can't at least double his volume with the same %. There is certain caution that the sample size is small but that could also work the other way, he might be better than his sample shows.

    I am very high on him being a good 3 pt shooter. Last year, I was projecting him to be 33-35% but after seeing this year's performance, I am confident that he will be better than that.

    Mid-range is a harder project in my opinion. And should not be a priority at this moment because he has other weapons at his disposal there.
     
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    Like Jabari? Why would we need two Jabaris?
     
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  20. chenjy9

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    Why not? 2 Jabaris are much better than just one. I would love to have 2 PGs and 3 Jabaris.
     

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