Sorry ass Mobley didn’t do Shiii today in the playoffs!! I’m glad we drafted Jalen Green over this scrub!! Sorry ass Mobley played like trash
Remind us how sorry that fool Evan Mobley is again? Did you watch the game today? His sorry ass didn’t do shiii! He couldn’t score nor did he play any defense this game. Non-existence on the court. Bonafide scrub
I love Green, I do. That being said, all he has done is lead us to bottom 3 records in the league 2 years in a row. At least Mobley is in the playoffs, even if he choked in his first game.
Mobely has 3 stars carrying the team for him when he doesn’t have to, D Mitchell, Garland and Jarret Allen who really holds down the Fort not that scrub ass Mobley.
Mobley is a fine player so i dont want to take anything away from him. That said, the cavs roster as a whole is why they are a playoff team. Mobley isnt leading this rockets team to the playoffs and Green isnt making the cavs a bottom three team. At least make the criticism make sense.
Valid point. Just saying Green hasn't even made the playoffs yet, let's wait to criticize in comparison when our guy isn't even close to sniffing the playoffs yet.
Another valid point. The criticism is not of JG, the criticism is about hammering Mobley too early and using our guy in comparison when he has yet to even get close to the playoffs.
Mobley isnt the reason Cavs are in the playoffs so why does that matter? If Rockets drafted Mobley and Cavs got Green then Green would be in the playoffs right now. Mobley might even be called a bust here cuz with nobody to give him the ball he'd struggle to score. Mobley being the DPOY finalist instead if Jarrett Allen is just ridiculous to me. He is def the most overrated player in the league right now esp on CF. Think about it Cavs already have 3 all stars if Mobley is as good as people here are saying Cavs should be championship contenders and a super team just like the Suns instead they got punked by the Knicks. Dpoy finalist but judt got destroyed on both ends by Julius Randle? Lol And just to clarify yeah Mobley is gonna be amazing I just think people are treating him like Tim Duncan and contributing the Cavs win total just to him lol.
Nah, Franz Wagner is a lot better than him, or anyone in the class tbh. There's like 3 good players on the Magic and they almost made the playoffs. Thats more impressive than getting hard carried by 3 all stars all season long.
On offense, yeah. Him and Sengun. But I believe he impacts the game overall more with his defense, which the stats bear out.
Huh? If he impacted the game so much why arent the Cavs a super team considering they already have 3 all stars? Wagner is overall the best player in the 2021 class and it isnt even close. He isnt a slouch defensively either Wagner is 6'9/6'10 and can slide on the perimeter just like Mobley. On offense he can do a bit of everything but his shooting is already at an elite level.
Huh? If he impacted the game so much why arent the Cavs a super team considering they already have 3 all stars? Wagner is overall the best player in the 2021 class and it isnt even close. He isnt a slouch defensively either Wagner is 6'9/6'10 and can slide on the perimeter just like Mobley.
The Cavs have the second best net rating in the league. Mobley's not like a star or anything but he's def better than Wagner this year. Wagner's shooting is not an elite shooter yet, TS is slightly above average. All advanced stats heavily favor Mobley.
So you're saying the 2nd best rating of the Cavs have more to do with Mobley than the freaking 3 all stars on that squad? Wagner has equal TS% playing with 0 all stars to Mobley playing with 3 all stars. Lol let that sink in. Mobley has a better supporting cast that helps his advanced stats a lot. For example his all star teammates increase the score when he is on the court so his +/- increases. Then his all star teammates get all the attention so Mobley can just score on layups and dunks with barely anyone guarding him. Meanwhile on the Magic Wagner is like the only reliable 3 pt threat since Banchero's shot left him mid season and Bolbol has to play inside. Everything's harder on Franz so his advanced stats suffer. If you look at more advanced stats that try to isolate teammate interference though you will see a different picture. I dunno what advanced stats you are looking at but Wagner has 2.7 raptor vs Mobley's 0.1. Thats cuz Wagner is a positive on both ends of the floor whereas Mobley is horrible offensively. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/
Huh? That's not what I said at all lol. I just responded to your question asking why the Cavs aren't a "super team" and I pointed out that they were one of the best teams in the league. I understand that playing with a better team can make you look better. I was looking at VORP, BPM and win shares. I'll grant I don't know enough about how RAPTOR is calculated to retort to that, but you should never just use one stat when comparing players. For instance, it shows FVV as being a top 10 player which we both know isn't true. Most player ranking lists have Mobley well ahead of Franz - it's not some controversial opinion.
Would rather have Goon here and Jabari and Jalen rather than Mobley and Ivey. You aren't taking Jabari if you got Mobley nor Goon
Cavs ended up like 4rth seed and behind Bucks, Nuggets, Clippers, GSW, PHX, 76ers, Lakers etc as title contenders so no they arent a super team. Sixers with only 2 superstars are more favored than them. 2nd best net rating but gets punked by Knicks? Lol. Vorp, BPM and win shares all do the same thing, they rely on plus minus which again is heavily impacted by your teammates. It looks like you are looking at 3 stats but really thats only one. The reason why most people have Mobley ahead of Franz is because the Cavs won more games and it coincided with Mobley getting drafted by the Cavs. Its all about the narrative same reason why Green got All rookie 1st team over Franz when Franz had better stats across the board. Raptor doesnt have FVV as a top 10 player, 10th would be Caruso which he honestly could be just based on his defense. Dude should have been the DPOY finalist instead of Mobley. Mobley has Jarett Allen and Okoro to help him defend who does Caruso have? Vucevic? Derozan? Lavine? Lol.
Never said they're a super team but they are one of the best teams in the league. It's one game. Those stats account for many things, one of them being on/off impact or plus minus, sure. They are not the same however. Franz was on 1st team all-rookie. They have FVV top 10 (#6) in WAR. Saying Caruso is 10th really isn't helping your cause here lol. RAPTOR is an interesting and useful stat but like I said, no single stat should be the end all, be all. It doesn't seem like we're gonna come to a consensus so I'll bow out.
