Some strange people repeatedly bang on your door at 11:30pm at night, you have a family and kids upstairs. Given that it took 2 minutes to answer the door, they were possibly asleep and not sure what's going on. It doesn't mean he was pissed off. And he didn't fire his gun. The police on the other hand yelled "hands up" at the same time as they fired. They didn't even give him a chance to comply, nor did they bother to assess the situation - even though they had already realized they were knocking on the wrong door and this wasn't the domestic violence threat.
Yes, always follow commands from the police. But, if someone knocks on my front door at 11:30pm saying they are police, I may not believe them. I’m not a law breaker, why would the police be knocking on my door at that hour? I’m usually asleep at that hour, I probably wouldn’t even hear them say they are the police. I’m not sure I would even open the door at 11:30pm. Sometimes the bad guys do claim to be police when invading a house. I don’t really put blame on the homeowner in this incident. I doubt he would have pointed his gun at the police if he knew for sure it was the police. The police just screwed up and now an innocent man is dead.
Just horrible all around. LEO need to be held to a high standard and going to the wrong house and not announcing themselves promptly when arriving looks like it precipitated this. The homeowner thought coming to the door armed and pointing their weapon though also represents a threat to the answer. I would like to know why the homeowner felt he had to do that? Did he have good reason to believe that his home was being invaded or was this an overreaction on his part?
Yes it is suspicious for strange people knocking on your door at 11:30 at night. Coming out already pointing your firearm though it’s an immediate threat that under self defense the LEO can respond too. This seems like a situation where cooler heads on both sides might’ve been able to avoid this situation. The homeowner could’ve announced that he was armed instead of just coming out with his weapon pointed . As noted the LEO should’ve had the right address and announced who they were sooner.
The police likely learned well after they empty their magazines that they were at the wrong house and that the man they killed was not a suspected criminal.
Completely agree with this - there's been a time in the past I've had a stranger knocking on my door at 11 PM for what I imagined was no reason turns out he was at the wrong house ... did I grab my Glock 17 and put it near me just in case ? Of course, but the last thing I'm going to do is point it at anyone without definitive self defense reasons - I found out the guy was at the wrong address and didn't even need to open the door and if I did have to open the door the last thing I'm going to do is have a weapon pointing at anyone unless the guy is kicking the door in - in that case I would've attempted to call the police and I would've been ready to shoot once a criminal breaches entry ... unfortunately, even though the police was completely stupid, and it's preparation, they had no other choice once the weapon was pointed at them- just because people can own weapons doesn't mean they should ... I love the fact that this is our right ingrained in our country to have arms for self-defense but it's a big responsibility that you have to take serious just like driving a car - one is a right, one is a privilege but if you are not smart you can kill yourself or others or multiple people either way
Good post and good to hear that you would be very careful in that type of situation. At the same time I don’t want to excuse the LEO in this and think the brunt of the blames falls on them. If we have to treat power with more responsibility the LEO still have much more power on their side and needed to act much more carefully.
We live in a society with quick-trigger mindset, which is going to lead to incidents like this. As long as we continue to worship guns as defensive weapons without paying attention to how quickly and deadly they can be, we will see more of these types of incidents happening. Do you remember the case where a man opened his door to a kid, and the kid got scared, moved backward, and the man killed him? He almost got away with it until the government intervened 31 years ago. Now, we are worse off because political leaders are fetishizing guns and passing laws that not only make the public more trigger-happy but also less trained in the proper use of guns. The cops, while they have all their serious problems, are also justifiably trigger-happy in reaction to an armed, trigger-happy and gun-ignorant society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Yoshihiro_Hattori Initially, the Baton Rouge Police Department quickly questioned and released Rodney Peairs and declined to charge him with any crime because—in their view—Peairs had been "within his rights in shooting the trespasser".[3] Only after Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards and the Japanese consul in New Orleans protested was Peairs charged with manslaughter.
You can clearly see the door was opened in an aggressive way. The police had no choice but to shoot him dead because they didn't know if he was dangerous or not. Police have to protect themselves and that's why their motto is shoot first, ask questions later.
They didn't identify themselves as police clearly enough obviously, so the man may have thought it was a dangerous situation and he was defending his life. He probably had no intention of firing and was thinking having his gun out would be use to scare away would be burglars. They knew they were at the wrong house....why would they assume the person was about to fire? Very strange to me. The guy didn't even have a chance to follow orders, he opened his door and was shot.
Oh, for sure. But they're typically not of the wrong patient-type ilk. That would potentially involve jail time. Just look at the nurse a Vanderbilt that inadvertently gave a patient the wrong med (two very close meds in name). The patient died, from another cause (iirc), but the hospital had to disclose the error to the family. The nurse went to jail. Here's an article: Ex-nurse RaDonda Vaught found guilty on two charges in death of patient A jury on Friday convicted former Nashville nurse RaDonda Vaught of criminally negligent homicide and abuse of an impaired adult after a medication error contributed to the death of a patient in 2017. The jury deliberated for approximately four hours in a trial closely watched by nurses and medical professionals from across the country, many worried Vaught's case could set a precedent for medical errors leading to criminal charges. Vaught, 38, was indicted in 2019 on two charges, reckless homicide and impaired adult abuse, in the death of Charlene Murphey at Vanderbilt University Medical Center just after Christmas 2017. Jury selection in her trial began Monday. https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2022/03/25/radonda-vaught-trial-vanderbilt-nurse-jury-verdict/7154135001/ Her hospital did nothing to back her up. It's no wonder nurses are chasing that dollar. FWIW, she only got three years of probation, and then her record will be expunged. But this was likely only due to the outrage across the country and nurses showing up in court en masse.
Damn, looks like death by cop without any context. At least they gave a trigger warning for this snuff film. I don't watch MSNBC but why do many of their male anchors look like non binary Rachel Maddows?
Thats an incorrect assertion as is this study That's a pretty garbage and innacurate method, its nearly impossible to measure on a national level. Hospitals are required to report these and on an indivdual basis internally for quality improvement and do something called a root cause analysis even if nothing happens ("near miss). This study also uses "gaps in insurance" to make that assertion of "medical errors". Unfortunately academia is rife with people trying push out garbage research. I actually lost a parent to a legitimate medical error so important cause to me and certainly happens. They will cite their limitations to the study acknowledging its garbage methods and say we will undertake further studies to better udnerstand this, = more research and funding.
In America, going to the wrong house is deadly. https://www.kmbc.com/article/teenager-shot-after-going-to-wrong-kansas-city-address/43604650# Updated: 4:45 PM CDT Apr 16, 2023 KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A teenager is in the hospital with life-threatening injuries after being shot in Kansas City. Police say the victim was shot after showing up at the wrong house. They say the victim was supposed to go to a house on Northeast 115th Terrace to pick up a sibling, but they went to 115th Street, where the shooting happened. Police say the shooter went to headquarters for a statement.
Also unrelated. This reminds me of the DFW airport. We were picking up my wife's car from the dealership Thursday. Took a different route. GPS was screwy. Entered the airport. No turn around beforehand. Spent forever trying to get out of there. Cost me 6 bucks toll to finally make it out
I've watched several times. They were shining lights at the door. He probably couldn't tell they were cops. There were no lights on the cars strobing. They didn't yell "Police" as soon as the homeowner opened the door. Something as small as the lights being on the car would have given some insight they people at the door were actual police. Not someone faking it to do a home invasion. Now a man is dead. A wife and children are without a husband and father. The city of Farmington taxpayers will be paying millions. All because of Police incompetence.
The police were told the address by the dispatcher. And again when they pulled up, the address was clearly displayed. This is so ****ed up.
Where do we hear them yell out they’re police? If they have the wrong house and know that they do, what are they still hanging around there for? Why are they even at the door? for all we know, he thought it was some burglar or somebody up to no good loitering around his house at almost midnight
It was semi-quick from the time they realized until the homeowner opened the door. The one cop was backing off. The other 2 weren't. My question is as soon as the door was cracked why weren't they screaming "Police!" I've watched the video a few times and can't tell if they said "Hands up" or "Heads up" as warning to his partners as some people have said.
It's not a crime to point a gun at a stranger on your property if you perceive them as a threat. So by Republican logic, the cops should all face murder chargers. That said, I'd probably ask who's there before I opened the door. And definitely have someone call 911. Also, this is why you get a video doorbell - they work wonders when someone rings your bell after dark (or daytime) and you want to see who it is before you come to the door.
