I'm talking about being able to sit back there like he did in college with a clean pocket Look at how Young reacted under pressure vs Stroud as an example of what I'm talking about. Under pressure Young still consistently stood in took the hits and most importantly new where to go with the ball. Something that Stroud has yet to prove he can do on a consistent basis. We're really talking about 2 different things. This class isn't rated as high as the guys I listed. Manning/Elway and Luck were considered generational before the draft. Nobody in this years draft is rated higher than the guys I listed coming out of college. Or as highly as Williams/Maye are for that matter. BTW, I dont want to pick a QB out of this class, but if I had to take a chance on one of them it would be Hooker. I thought I made that clear, but I guess that's not the case.
“Many in the league who were interviewed believe it will be Stroud…” https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ohio-state-cj-stroud-alabama-bryce-young-no-1 Spoiler CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Bryce Young over C.J. Stroud? C.J. Stroud over Bryce Young? Those are the questions facing the Carolina Panthers as they decide which quarterback they will take with the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft on April 27. Many in the league who were interviewed believe it will be Stroud, mostly because the former Ohio State quarterback, at 6-foot-3 and 214 pounds, fits the physical stature that first-year Carolina coach Frank Reich is accustomed to working with. None of Reich's quarterbacks the past 17 years has been shorter than 6-2. Many others interviewed believe Alabama's Young (5-10, 204) checks more boxes. "Bryce is a better player despite his size,'' said one NFL executive, echoing the thoughts of others speaking on condition of anonymity. Said another, "With Bryce, it's hard to poke holes.'' Unknown is whether the early buzz that Reich might prefer the bigger Stroud over Young was a smokescreen or whether concerns over Young's size and durability (despite starting 27 of a possible 28 games over the past two seasons) really will be the deciding factor for Carolina. What is known, according to front office sources with knowledge of the situation, is the Panthers traded from No. 9 to No. 1 with the intent of drafting Young or Stroud, even though publicly, team officials have included Florida's Anthony Richardson and Kentucky's Will Levis in the mix. General manager Scott Fitterer and Reich -- and everyone else involved in the Panthers' process -- say they are on the same page and don't anticipate a dispute with the final decision. […] Pocket presence, escapability and playmaking In terms of handling pressure, both excelled the past two seasons, but Young was significantly better. During that stretch, according to ESPN Stats & Information, Young ranked first in passing yards (2,132), passing touchdowns (24) and completions of 20-plus yards (34) when under pressure. Stroud ranked 16th in total yards (1,364) and passing touchdowns (15), and was 20th in completions of 20-plus yards (20). The big difference is Stroud seldom had to make plays outside the pocket for the Buckeyes because his protection was so good. He never had a game with more than eight rushes in his career. Young often had to ad-lib because of breakdowns behind a line that for Alabama was substandard, yet his production didn't suffer. In 2022, Alabama's offensive line allowed a quarterback pressure within 2.5 seconds 9.9% of the time, which ranked 29th in the country. Ohio State's line ranked 17th at 8%. However, Alabama ranked 80th in pressure rate allowed at 29.2%, and OSU ranked 22nd at 23.4%. Nevertheless, in part because of Young's mobility and ability to avoid sacks, Alabama had a lower sack percentage: 7.5% to OSU's 8.0%. In terms of production, Young finished with the highest Total QBR rating outside the pocket (95.7) of the 98 FBS quarterbacks who attempted at least 250 passes in 2022. Stroud ranked 49th at 69.0. What they're saying Stroud: "When I need to extend plays, I can extend them just as far as anybody else in the country.'' Jim Nagy, CEO of the Senior Bowl and a longtime NFL scout: "[For] C.J., you're really pointing towards the last couple of games of the year when he seemed to put it all together. If you look at the whole body of work, I might have some questions about some of the out-of-pocket feel and awareness ... things Bryce does really well.'' Todd McShay, ESPN draft analyst: "With Bryce, you get a player that can extend plays and create magic inside and outside the pocket.'' Jordan Reid, ESPN analyst and former college quarterback: "[Bryce] can kill you from inside the pocket. He can beat you from outside the pocket, but it's his poise that I'm so amazed with.'' Ability to process and anticipate Stroud completed 66.3% of his pass attempts for 85 touchdowns with 12 interceptions the past two seasons. Young completed 65.8% for 80 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. But their processing stands out the most when pressured or blitzed. Since 2013, quarterbacks with a career college Total QBR above 30 when pressured include Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence and Mac Jones. In 2022, Stroud had a Total QBR when pressured of 30.6 and 85.3 when blitzed. Young's Total QBR was 30.1 when pressured and 89.9 when blitzed. But this sticks out as much as anything said during the process: Both Saban and Fitterer said Young's processing was "off the charts.'' As complimentary as Fitterer was about Stroud at his pro day, his comment in regards to Young's processing was telling. What they're saying Saban on Young: "He plays quarterback like a point guard.'' Day on Stroud: "What I've shared with some of the [Panthers'] personnel and some of the folks that I've met with here is, you know, if you can handle being the quarterback at Ohio State, you can handle being in the NFL.'' McShay: "With Bryce Young, it's like watching Steph Curry in basketball. ... Everything is so slow in the way they process things so quickly and see the whole field or the whole court is so similar.'' Nagy: "Bryce just, he plays the position with a calm that is really hard to find. ... He has a lot of things you can't coach [that Young knows] instinctively.'' Arm strength There has never been a question about Stroud's arm strength. He can throw deep and accurately without much effort. Fitterer left Alabama's pro day saying Young's arm strength was better than he thought. His performance at the pro day also confirmed that he can throw exceptionally well from different arm angles and maintain velocity. It's the accuracy that will carry more weight, according to those who know Reich, and both quarterbacks have shown that. On throws of 21-plus yards in 2022, Stroud completed 50% of his attempts, compared to 45% for Young. But where Young had the edge was in off-target throws of 21-plus yards. He had an NCAA-best 25% off-target rate, while Stroud was at 32.7%. In terms of short and intermediate throws in 2022, Young was off target on only 1.8% of his tries from 10 or fewer yards and 11.9% on throws from 11 to 20 yards. Stroud was at 6% and 17%. "[Reich values] what we all value in quarterbacks ... being able to throw with accuracy; being able to make good, quick decisions; being able to extend plays and having arm strength good enough to be able to pierce the wind,'' Philadelphia Eagles coach Nick Sirianni said. What they're saying McShay: "C.J. is the best pure pocket passer with a bigger build.'' Nagy on Young: "He's got a live arm. I've seen him play a bunch over the years. I've seen him in different camps throw it. Even [former Alabama quarterback] Mac Jones was coming out, and Bryce would be put into late games, blowouts, there was an uptick in the ball velocity even compared to Mac.'' […] Bottom line The Panthers hope to get a long-term solution to a long-term quarterback issue whether they take Young or Stroud. "Bryce is the best pick; Stroud is the safer pick,'' said McShay, echoing what others said. "On paper, C.J.'s built to last longer in the NFL versus Young, who can extend and create and has this presence and field vision like no other in this class. "If he was 6-2, 220 pounds, there would be no conversation. Bryce Young would clearly be the No. 1 quarterback in this class.''
This is my thought. Either Anderson or Tyree will be there at 5 or 6. If they aren't that means one of the 4 QBs will be there. Trade back again. Pick up Van Ness, a WR, and either Hooker or Bijan with 18 or 20 that you get from Detroit or Seattle. If you stay put at 5 or 6 you can pick up Levis and Richardson and still have 12 and 18 or 20. Pick up the best WR available at 12 and Nolan Smith or Bijan. 2nd rounder best Edge or DI available. 3 Center. So many options
What do you think will be the cost to trade up from 9/10 next year? Especially if QBs are advertised?
There is also seeing what Seattle gets for 3 and seeing which loser of the number 3 "auction" ponies up more for #2 on draft night. From what I have read Seattle doesn't want to wait until draft day to make their deal so the compensation for 3 should be known pre-draft.
There are 3 QBs RIGHT NOW that are better than anyone in this draft. Who knows who will rise? Also, odds are the 4 teams who draft QBs are going to suck this year. The teams that want QBs this year are nowhere close to winning. So how many teams ABOVE the Texans will actually need QBs. If they can trade back and pick up a 1st rounder for next year, they would have 3 first rounders to trade up. You fill the holes on offense this year with a WR, and Center. Metchie is basically a rookie too. You let that offense learn the system together. Then you add the QB into the mix next year. That way the kinks have been ironed out and the Rookie QB this year isn't trying to overcome his mistakes as well as the rest of the offense's.
People keep bringing this up. My opinion is Caleb Williams is going 1-1 and no trade will be possible. The team with the worst record is drafting him.
Which 3 QB's are better? Williams - highest true freshman QB rating since Trevor Lawrence... if he wins with USC and continue his play from the past two years, he can cement his spot up top. Maye had a great season but will need to back up the body of last season to be sitting near the top. He has all the tools, size and ability to be top 5. He will have to prove the end of season was merely a blip rather than a trend. His team is better for the next season, so it shouldn't be an issue. Who's the third?
Well... Carolina doesn't have a 1st rounder next year so they are already disqualifed from your scenario and they are the only 100% lock right now to take a QB and seems like most people agree it will be Young. They didn't trade up for Will Anderson. So that cuts it to the 3 remaining teams and 3 QBs. Texans? If they did take Stroud at 2 and were so bad again they ended up with the 1-1 next year.... yea I could see Cal firing Caserio and drafting Caleb. Then we are talking about teams looking at Richardson and Levis. Most "experts" believe Richardson is not ready to play. I think Lombardi said he is 2 years away from being 1 year away. So if a team trades up and gives up a bunch of picks well they probably aren't going to have a 1st rounder next year anyway which makes your argument irrelevant. If they just get a QB at the pick they already own I don't think Levis and Richardson are such great prospects that a team would be like nah we are good. We can pass on Caleb Williams.
