Unsurprisingly you are unconcerned about a treatment that effects hundreds of millions of women globally. Those trans kids are everywhere!!!. To be fair, everyone is selective in their outrage.
I didn’t move any goal posts - I have said more than once in this thread I don’t believe that children should be given puberty blockers or undergo sex reassignment surgery until they are of age (18). I have also said that once there is sufficient research, I may change my mind, but at this point we don’t have it. My entire point has been that despite all the zealous claims of advocates and detractors of transgenderism- we are severely lacking in research and adequate numbers. You can say it’s between the doctor and the parent or patient - but the patient in this case is a child and it’s an area that doesn’t have a sufficient track record.
I didn’t move any goal posts - I have said more than once in this thread I don’t believe that children should be given puberty blockers or undergo sex reassignment surgery until they are of age (18). I have also said that once there is sufficient research, I may change my mind, but at this point we don’t have it. My entire point has been that despite all the zealous claims of advocates and detractors of transgenderism- we are severely lacking in research and adequate numbers. You can say it’s between the doctor and the parent or patient - but the patient in this case is a child and it’s an area that doesn’t have a sufficient track record. Go **** yourself. You have no clue what results I do or do not want. Wanting sufficient study and numbers doesn’t mean I don’t support transgender rights.
Go **** your self with your faux outrage. I have posted numerous times about the insufficiency of medical studies when it comes to women and how women are treated in a patriarchy. Further I have posted about how reproductive responsibilities need to be more of a concern for men too. I’m not the idiot that compared adult women choosing to take birth control pills to adolescents and children being given puberty blockers.
Technically an adolescence. Of course we are lacking in sufficient research. I'm on the other side, it's such an insignificant amount of under 18 years going through with this that it seems like this is a very personal decision made between a family.
I'm pretty sure you've made your views clear on under 18 procedures and I'd bet you are pretty dug in on it. I don't think by not supporting under 18 procedures that you also don't support transgender rights. It's not all or nothing.
LOL.... The patriarchy? Where is this coming from? I'm pointing out your risk tolerance and how it corresponds to your outrage.... not questioning your support for women's rights.... Yeesh. Where did I ever say adult women? Not a good look you have to change what I said. I merely said birth control and triggered the f*ck out of you and @LosPollosHermanos
I will have a debate or discussion with you, but don’t draw unjustified conclusions about me or my position on things that are not consistent with what I have said - you did it multiple times. If I don’t agree with something or am not concerned about something - I have no problem admitting it, owning it and explaining it. I never made a statement that I don’t care about women or their health or birth control. In fact I have said the opposite and given examples numerous times over the years. To the extent that some posters have claimed I am radical on the issue. Further, I never claimed transgendered people were a social concern or were all over the place as you tried to interject into what I stated. In fact, I am very supportive of equality and acceptance of trans people. Two of the 5-6 most important people in my life are trans gendered (in fairness one is struggling with whether they are non binary or a gay trans woman). Further, I have spoken out against DeSantis in Florida or any limitations on exposing children to transexuals.
@Nook you are wasting your time, this guy doesn't even know what he's trying to argue. It clicked for me its no better than arguing with a college kid. I think every discussion can be beneficial and expand our horizons, ESPECIALLY if it challenges our belief system, but only when its a fruitful discussion. If I feel like i'm losing the most important things to me, such as my time and/or brain cells I'm the one taking the L. I , like nook- stated my points clearly. I think people should be able to transition and do what they want with their lives. Lets leave that discussion to consenting legal adults that can understand the risks/benefits and alternatives (like we do for other things with minors!!!). Obviously there are exceptions, there are certain conditions that leave people with ambiguous genetalia etc and its better to transition early, also in cases where someone is suicidal that risk benefit ratio weighs in favor of the person transitioning. Somehow somewhere that turned into, "well we let people take birth control too!!!!" and some nonsense this dude frequently does
I literally said I am open to changing my opinion on minors having transition drugs and surgery - but it will require more research and data than we have at this point. I can see both sides of the issue - and can understand why a 12-13 year old would want to have puberty blockers and it may be the proper recourse for a lot of trans minors, I just need more research that is well done and that will sadly take time.
You literally said I am unconcerned about a treatment that impacts hundreds of millions of women globally…. So yeah you did question my support… actually you did more than that, you were exposed for making an ignorant statement and rather than back off of it, you decided to just jump to conclusions to excuse your ignorance. If you aren’t going to have a good faith discussion - and attempt to lie and purposely mislead the opinions of the person you are having the discussion with - then expect to be called out on it.
And again.... I'm not questioning your record and women's and transgenders' rights. You said understood my point but clearly you didn't while constantly insulting me along with @LosPollosHermanos . I don't really care if @LosPollosHermanos is a real doctor, that poster's rhetoric has been one of a anti-transgender, anti- woke, mini tinman. I don't think you are like him but you have very strong opinions on the issue of those under 18 undergoing medical treatments.
And I said "those trans kids are everywhere". You keep saying you understand my point, which I've said is about risk management, but you don't. I will admit that was a bit of a sarcastic and ineffective way to make a point. If you are drunk, that's cool man, but you are misreading this.
I didn’t insult you - I stood up for myself when you were misleading about my positions. As for having strong opinions on minors and puberty blockers - I have strong opinions on transgenderism and feminism. Other than my son, all of the most important people in my life are either women or transgendered. I don’t have an issue with someone disagreeing with me on puberty blockers - I have an issue when people claim to know my motives, even when I have explained my position many time - for example when you said the study didn’t give the outcome I want…
Im not drunk. I had an 8 hour settlement mediation and have been up for 22 hours. If you didn’t mean it the way it came across to me - I will take you at your word.
I'm gonna throw this out into the fray... Technically, I believe the word you're looking for is "adolescent"
