Bill Simmons: Jaylen Brown wants to be traded to Houston?

Give them Jalen Green, KJ Martin and a future pick or two (assuming Brown comes with an extension)

Draft Scoot and roll with an athletic/defensive Jaylen/Jabari/Scoot/Eason combination to cover for Sengun (maybe get a athletic C behind him).

Or if we pick up Harden, we don't have to draft Scoot...I'd be more okay with trading that pick, since we don't need Miller or anyone after Wemby/Scoot in my opinion. But an athletic/finishing C is a much better fit with Harden than Sengun .

 

I've watched basketball since early 70's and yes saw Michael Jordan since his college days.

That skinny kid is where Jalen Green would have been the last two years and third being with G-league ignite.

Two differences is probably Jordan was 15 pounds heavier than Green at this same stage.

The other difference was hand size. Which I could care less. The fake pass with one hand only to bring it back and drive around that duped defender probably happened once vs Starks.

I saw Jordan clank the dunk early in his career and later.....Im amazed I've never seen Jalen blow the dunk uncontested. Maybe it happened, but small hands or not, Jalen dinks it with authority.

MJ struggled vs the established veteran teams in the playoffs but then got the calls. Defenders would just breath on him and get called for a phantom foul. Jordan would hack down on the forearms on players and draw blood; but refs looked the other way.

I'm one that believes the refs will reward those that continue to attack the rim. Drexler, MJ, Iverson, Marbury, Kobe, Trae Young, and eventually Jalen Green.

More dunks due to spacing provided by 3-point shooters equates to higher FG%. I also believe players peak at age 27; which means I don't think Jaylen gets better than he is......Green on the other hand get 10 pounds of muscle this off-season. Which will help him absorb the contact coming next year.

P.S. you have to ask why would Brown want to
go to Houston? Remember, everyone is crying bad culture, bad looker room, no structure or foundation set!!

Maybe he knows Harden is coming back?
Wants to play with Green?
Wants to play with KPj?

Wants
Harden/Green/Brown/Jabari/Wemby
KPj/Green/Brown/Jabari/Wemby
Harden/Green/Brown/Jabari/Sengun
KPj/Green/Brown/Jabari/Sengun

Who knows? May dictate things?

 

They're different types of players, just in the same tier overall. Brown is a good player but I think he's overrated, I don't think he deserves all-NBA if he gets it. Just saying "he makes them a better team" doesn't really add a lot to the discussion. Lavine makes the Bulls a better team too, but the Bulls don't have a top 7 player like Tatum.

 

you literally would be the only who saying he doesn't deserve it when he's going to make it. It's not even much of a question and he absolutely deserves it.

yeah it says plenty because were not talking about some limited role players. we're actually talking about one of the faces of the franchise

and no someone who is an all nba player and one of the leading faces of a contending franchise isn't in the same tier as someone like Lavine who has never reached that level and spends his team losing more than winning. but but but his team isn't as good is just stupid logic in this context.

just because you have this little tunnel vision of what a true elite player is and think someone who puts up empty numbers and doesn't have nearly the impact on winning doesnt make it untrue. And no it isn't bc the bulls don't have a Tatum. It just literally means Lavine isn't as good as you think he is and in reality he isn't as good as you think he is. You're just trying to tell yourself that

 

no way am I trading Green because I fully believe that Harden and playing for a much better coach would have him looking like a supercharged Maxey at worst by next year…then he could continue developing in the background while playing on a winning team and learning good habits until he hopefully reaches Devin Booker level

Jabari is just a very useful player and big man, so I’m keeping him too…I still believe in his shooting, he has shown some improvement in his off the dribble game, I think at worst he’ll be a very solid defended…he’s just the type of player that fits in with any team

anyone else on the roster can go with no hesitation tho

 

This type of language is really uncalled for lol. Why you trying to belittle me? There are going to be plenty of people that don't vote for Brown all-NBA team.

You know you can have a difference in opinion with someone without being a complete ass, right?

 

did i say he was going to make first team? no. he's going to make an all nba team though

 

I mistyped that and meant all-NBA team. I know he's probably going to make it, I just disagree personally. The numbers tell a different story but like I said, people gravitate towards voting for players from the top teams so I understand.

 

he has the numbers to back up his winning impact and that's why he'll make the all nba

if that assumption was true, then why hasn't someone like Khris Middleton made an all nba team. Surely people gravitate towards players from top teams and Giannis can't be the only one. Or why hasn't someone like Murray gotten any type of significant notoriety or accolades when denver has been a top team for years. Never mind a all nba for murray, he can't even get an all star appearance. Denver even sat on top of the standings and he still couldn't even get the votes

 

I understand that point.. my original statement was I would ship Sengun along with some of our young bench players out for JB. I wouldn’t want to trade Jalen at all, but I would if we had no choice. I also don’t think we getting harden. In a perfect world it would be Harden, Jalen, Jaylen, Jabari, and Wemby

 

If Brown really wants to go to Houston I assume its because.

1. Max contract+Tax situation is $$$$.
2. Houston is a better Atlanta.
3. I’d assume he like a few of the players we have.
4. Idoka?
5. We can field vets around him either trade or FA.

KPJ+Sengun+Jaygup+Martin Net assets other than 2024 works for me.

Sign Harden.

Trade #3-7, Clips pick, Washington for Bridges and Claxton.

Claxton/Garuba
Smith/Eason
Brown
Bridges/
Harden/Green

 

No to Bridges and Claxton. don't want to unduly rush the day either, with James.

 

There is NO REASON not to make a Trade for Brown
(unless it is Rudy Gobert level unfair)

Rocket River

 

There is NO REASON not to make a Trade for Brown
(unless it is Rudy Gobert level unfair)

Rocket River

IMO
Brown coming here puts him in MVP conversations in 2 yrs
At worse

Rocket River

 

Any of those are possible.

If the story is true, and let's face it, Bill Simmons is not the most reputable source......but if he's going to be right about anything, it would be something related to the Celtics because if he has any sources at all, you'd think they'd be inside that organization.

Well if he's right, I think the most likely scenario is that Brown wants to link up with Harden in Houston. If the Rockets win the lottery and take Wemby, it could lead to them being at or near the top of the west pretty quickly.

I don't think either of them would really care if Green was around given that he's not a quality off-ball player and his defense is a joke.

I think they could justify offering Green and Sengun to the Celtics if they could get a lineup of

Harden/KPJ/Brown/Smith/Wemby

That's kind of a ridiculous lineup that could challenge for a championship if Wemby is who he's supposed to be, Smith grows into his role, and Harden has a few years left in the tank.

Honestly though, I don't care what young guy you'd need to trade, there's no one on the Rockets good enough to be untouchable. If you draft Henderson and you trade KPJ and Green and go with

Harden/Henderson/Brown/Smith/Sengun

You do that too.

Of course, I'm not a player only or player first fan...so that's why you get rational takes like that from me instead of emotional outbursts.

 

MVP prediction is a bit over the top. But I agree that I would trade any player we currently have for Brown. Green's ceiling probably is higher than Brown's but there's NO guarantee that he will reach the ceiling. People like to compare established veteran's stats when they were the same age as the young player. But it's assuming that the development is linear. We all know that it's not necessarily true. Green's shooting is still quite shaky. At the end of last season, we thought he was coming through and would continue to get better, only to watch the repeat of his rookie year all over again. This coming season will give us a better idea whether he is going to reach his star potential or not. Same things can be said about Smith and Sengun. I actually like all of them and hope they will stay as career Rockets. But if you can get a bona fide star by trading them, you do it.

 

No way I'm giving up both Green AND Sengun for Brown.

 

I would trade assets and Green or Sengun for Brown, but not both. I would worry about a Harden/Green or a Harden/KPJ backcourt defensively. I’d much rather have a Harden/Brown backcourt. That backcourt would be awesome. I feel much better about our front court options.

 

Stone clearly has a plan for color name players.

 

If Simmons is right then based on the narrative that Harden works out with Green and admires his weak off the ball/horrible defense(your thoughts), and Brown wants to link up with Harden then that would make Green the odd man in

Banchero wanted to get drafted by Htown because of Green based on narratives created

And if Celtics fans were to use your evaluation for Green then they would immediately hang up the phone or tell you they want the best player on a twenty win team as a staring point if they are going to trade their two way all star, not for some chucker who sucks at defense

So you can't put Green(ie. Brewer) in any of your trade proposals because he sucks, you are stuck with Green, so root for him, flaws n all