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Should the Rockets trade for Jaylen Brown?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Le$$, Apr 12, 2023.

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Jaylen Brown?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    Man you dumb.

    Totally different manners in which they score at the rim. Tari is primarily scoring at the rim cutting to the rim from defensive lapses and in open space from transition plays.

    Same with Brown. Green scores most of his buckets at the rim off the dribble starting from the three point line in half court sets with set defenses.

    Hence the.massivd difference in unassisted rate of fgs made between Green and those two.
     
  2. Wulaw Horn

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    Whoever said brown is like the 20th best player in the league is right. You don’t win titles with that guy as your best.
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    Nope. What a stupid statement

    You understand the concept of headroom?

    If Brown was averaging 14 on true shooting percentage of 56%, two percentage points higher than Green while scoring 36% of his pts unassisted compared toGreen at 60% of his fgs unassisted ,where is the headroom if he expands his usage and and becomes the center rod defensive attention?

    Completely different shot profiles with Green scoring with a lot more share of his makes from self creation off the dribble. And Brown was averaging more turnovers than assists. Ramp up his usage and decrease the spacing and pg play on the team and his efficiency would tank. I his ts% with that shot diet was like 65%, you could make a case but there is no headroom for him to expand it

    You are SERIOUSLY overeating Brown. I literally live in Massachusetts and Celtics fan acknowledge Green was more offensively gifted in his second year compared to Brown in his second year.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    I mean compare their FG% at the rim.

    I'll wait

    :)
     
  5. Ankara1923

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    Give half of the package to OKC and bring Josh Giddey instead. The boy scores, rebs,assists. What else you need?

    31 points, 9 rebounds, 10 assists in his first ever play-in game. Terrific guy, just destroyed Pels.
     
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  6. SamFisher

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    If I called up my cousin who is a humongous Celtics fan and had a semi pro nba blogger gig awhile back and asked if he had an opinion on whether he would "acknowledge Green was more offensively gifted in his second year compared to Brown in his second year." he would block my number.

    This is not the kind of thing normies think about - even in Boston.
     
  7. Le$$

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    https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2019.html

    Yeah but imagine Green on that team. Irving was the star , along with Haywood. Look at the point spread, do you seriously think Green going to get his 22 ppg per game . Nope , Not with dem vets.

    Matter of fact Stevens would of benched green for some of the **** I've seen .
     
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  8. MultipleSauces

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    Green for brown?
    Hell nah bruh
    Green>brown
     
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  9. BaselineFade

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    I was just thinking about this during the game. I wonder if OKC would take pick 5-7 and any combo of Tate KMJ KPJ JC or TyTy?
     
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  10. Ankara1923

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    Sam Presti won't accept anything including KPJ.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    I didn't say he would average 22 on that Celtics team.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Good for your friend.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Hell nah. One game shouldn't make people have such drastic opinions.
     
  14. HTown5933

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    I'm assuming you mean this season for both.

    But I'm not sure why anyone would consider "short cutting" the rebuild and going all in with Jaylen Brown. (and I love Brown... he was the main guy I wanted when we were in the process of moving Harden). Not interested in trading our young potential for a guy who'll be 27 next season and as good as he is, we wouldn't know how he'd play as the 1A... with no Tatum to open things up for him. (I'm sure he'd still be very effective!)

    Harden played his first season for us at 23 yrs old. Big difference. Especially when we likely won't be truly contending for several more years. (I'd still love to have Brown NOW, but not at the expense of BOTH JG and Al-P & a bunch of draft capital... no way)

    Since that's the case I'd rather look at how Brown shot in his first couple of seasons....

    0-3 feet: .614 & .622 (.618 avg)
    3-10 ft: .382 & .321 (.352 avg)
    10-16 ft: .344 & .409 (.377 avg)
    16-3Pt: .290 & .368 (.329 avg)
    3PT: .341 & .395 (.368 avg)

    Jalen's first two seasons...

    0-3 feet: .680 & .591 (.636 avg)
    3-10 ft: .252 & .406 (.329 avg)
    10-16 ft: .333 & .467 (.400 avg)
    16-3PT: .381 & .368 (.375 avg)
    3PT: .343 & .338 (.341 avg)

    Obviously those are just averages of the first two seasons and not exact percentages (actual totals) through two seasons.

    But I think it's very likely Jalen's decrease in FG% at the rim was due to several factors. Wood being a 3 point shooter & EG shooting 41.2% from 3 last season vs 34.7% this season are two things that lead you to believe the spacing was greatly affected in a negative way. That and the large decrease in points assisted (from others).

    What gives me hope & reason for excitement is what Brown developed into. His percentages really took a jump in year 4. We just saw what SGA did in his 5th season. Brown's percentages really increased across the board in years 4 through 7.

    0-3 feet: .703, .700, .765, .737
    3-10 ft: .407, .442, .425, .475
    10-16 ft: .488, .484, .474, .542
    16-3PT: .362, .490, .441, .412
    3PT: .382, .397, .358, .335

    Pretty encouraging if you ask me... .that in his rookie season, Jalen shot nearly as well at the rim as Brown did in years 4 & 5.
     
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  15. ApacheWarrior

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    Yes that Celtics team was #1 in the Eastern Conference (16/17) when Jaylen Brown
    was a rookie.

    Let's name the team players:

    Player................3P%........ experience
    Avery Bradley.....36.5.................6
    Crowder..............43.6.................4
    Gerald Green......36.1..................9
    Horford...............44.6..................9
    Jerebko..............36.3...................6
    Amir Johnson....33.2...................11
    Olynyk.................39.4...................3
    Rozier..................32.7...................1
    Smart..................33.6...................2
    I Thomas.............36.2..................5

    Must I show you the Rockets roster and their 3P% ?

    Do you understand the importance of spacing ?

    MJ took FGA's:
    Age 21: 19.8 FGA
    Age 22: 18.2 FGA
    Age 23: 27.8 FGA
    Age 24: 24.4 FGA

    Just a side note:
    When Harden took 24.5 FGA's per game (18/19) as a Rockets he was
    called a ball hog. Harden scored 36 points per game. Spacing was a
    big factor.

    Now imagine putting Jalen Green and his speed with that spacing
    Boston had.......Green would have sliced and diced.

    Now put rookie Jaylen Brown on that Rockets team
    with 4 guys clogging the paint. Brown wouldn't get
    squat.

    I said before we drafted Green......it's not about how Green
    performs as he is still sporting his teenage body. It's about
    Jalen Green as he becomes a man around age 21. He will be
    a league leader in scoring.

    It's amazing that people aren't getting excited knowing that
    Jalen Green will put on another 10 pounds of muscle and take it to
    another level. His legs will get stronger and will probably
    leap another 2 to 3 inches higher. When he drives the refs
    will start giving him the calls. Just give him spacing and
    we will be having a different conversation.

     
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  16. ApacheWarrior

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    @Le$$ here you go:

    21/22

    Player......3P%
    JC:...........29.6
    Garuba.....25.0
    EG.............41.2
    House.......29.4
    Kenyon......35.7
    Garrison....36.0
    Nwaba......30.6
    KPj............37.5
    Schroder...32.8
    Sengun.....24.8
    Tate...........31.2
    Wood.........39.0
    Theis...........29.1

    Jaylen Brown wouldn't be able to do squat. Forced to be a jump shooter just
    like the rest of the team. Why would the defense not pack the paint?
     
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  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You don't do this deal because you don't overpay for a 1 year rental.
     
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  18. HTownTmac1

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    I voted yes but then saw your ridiculous trade offer ! What are you thinking !? If stone gets fired I hope you don’t replace him
     
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  19. Le$$

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    Actually wasn't mine, was on a major website of what it could cost. Me personally i wouldn't do it. Way to much to give, but that is the cost for a supposedly going rate superstar to be who has playoff and finals exp. There is no guarantee on Segun and Green just yet until Houston starts to win. Rockets obviously have lots of years more of losing.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Your calibration is off though. You think sophmore Brown would average 29 on the Rockets when he barely was more efficient than Green while being a primarily catch and shoot type player who got most of his buckets in space and from assists.
     

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