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  1. Ubiquitin

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65245065

    I swear we learned about western armed forces on the ground in Ukraine for training on the UAF on the new weapons sometime last year.

    Ukraine war: Leak shows Western special forces on the ground
     
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    The main mission of "special forces" like Green Berets back in the 1960's used to be training indigenes to fight. There's been a slow creep where now they are basically Terminators, but that wasn't always the case. I'm guessing when they say "special forces" people are going to assume they are all in direct combat roles, which I sort of doubt.
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    They always start out as 'advisors' until the enemy targets the advisors.
     
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    I think you are overreacting to a single event. It is the French, but they do have eyes and ears so they have knowledge of how China operates. It's not going to be flattery and staged students that peels away France and Europe. I won't sit and say that China won't pull away a majority of Europe, but it's not a given. China's "20 steps ahead" still overreached and the world isn't ignorant. China has its own headwinds, likewise the US.

    I find the inroads China has made into Latin America more alarming.
     
  5. astros123

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    Chinnese interpreter they used was someone they knew trump would like even though they NEVER use women in that setting



    The chinnese hunt their prey and feed on their weakness. I give them credit. They're savages and you gotta respect it.

    They played Macron like a fiddle. Knew his low approvals and threw him a party to drive a wedge between us. Worked like a charm.
     
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    Looked like it was not moving, so my guess is it was broken down...

    DD
     
  8. basso

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    let's go Brandon.

     
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  9. Andre0087

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    Stop with the dumbassory...what's with every MAGA cult member getting news from random Twitter "sources" or Facebook. Get your head out of your ass old man.

    US Army eyes sixfold production boost of 155mm shells used in Ukraine

    HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — The U.S. Army will boost production of 155mm artillery shells more than sixfold to 85,000 a month by fiscal 2028, according to the service’s undersecretary.

    The goal is to replenish ammunition going to Ukraine in large numbers to aid its fight against Russia and to ensure the service has the right levels in its own stockpiles, Gabe Camarillo said March 28.

    The Army is spending $1.45 billion on capacity “to expand 155mm artillery production from 14,000 a month to over 24,000 later this year,” and 85,000 in five years, Camarillo said at the Association of the U.S. Army’s Global Force Symposium in Huntsville, Alabama.

    Partly to aid in the ramp-up, the Army has bolstered the strategy for its organic industrial base with plans to invest $18 billion over 15 years. Originally, the service wanted $16 billion to modernize the base, according to Marion Whicker of U.S. Army Materiel Command.

    Now, in FY23 alone, the Army will inject $2.5 billion into modernizing the organic industrial base, mostly through supplemental funding provided by Congress to replenish stockpiles, she noted.

    To dramatically increase capacity that quickly, “you need additional production lines,” Army acquisition chief Doug Bush told reporters at the Global Force event.

    The Army makes artillery shells at Scranton Army Ammunition Plant in Pennsylvania as well as a General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems facility nearby in Wilkes Barre. It fills them at a government facility in Iowa.

    The Army is under contract to build another facility with a company in Canada, and is standing up yet another with the General Dynamics unit in Garland, Texas, to make additional shell bodies. Iowa is expanding its capability, and there is some production expansion into Kansas, Bush noted.

    “It’s not all in one place,” he said. “It’s literally building new factories and putting advanced machine tools in them. That’s really the only way to do it.”

    The Army is investing $349 million to more than double its monthly production of launchers to 41 a month and 330 missiles per month, Camarillo said. Production for Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems will increase from 566 rockets per month to more than 1,100 by FY26.


    https://www.defensenews.com/digital...uction-boost-of-155mm-shells-used-in-ukraine/
     
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    Because the Chinese are the only country to do so in modern times? Trump is just an easy mark.

    I don't understand how you can look at the history of the French and America post WW2 and make this type of statement. For whatever reason, you assume the US and Europe (and France for the matter) was united against China and Russia.

    Just seems asinine to suggest that Macron wasn't already going to do what occurred and was somehow "played like fiddle" and made to sign those very minor trade deals and make a public statement.
     
  11. basso

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    might there be any other reason that you can think of why a piece of (checks notes) ARTILLERY would not be moving?
     
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    We are defenseless.

    Seriously though, it's far more alarming how the Russian invasion exposed how ill prepared our defense industry is for an actual, drawn out war. We certainly have the best hardware and munitions.... but being able to replenish them in timely manner is pretty important too. I believe I read a report that in some scenarios going to war with China over Taiwan could deplete our advanced munitions within about a week.
     
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    "The Defense Production Act is the primary source of presidential authorities to expedite and expand the supply of materials and services from the U.S. industrial base needed to promote the national defense."

    Since we sold our manufacturing soul to China I wonder how effective this would be in a real scenario.
     
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    I fully understand what that is.... but that doesn't somehow make advanced electronic parts, military grade alloys, etc magically appear within a few months if China decided to attack Taiwan in 2023 or maybe even 2024. We need to build up the industrial base/domestic supply chain as the article you posted laid out.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    It's more concerning we anticipate pumping 6x the volume in 5 years.
     
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    "Biden's proxy war" why can't you debate in good faith? Genuinely speaking ? Why the low iq conspiracies and arguments? Seriously
     
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    It was a mobile artillery piece, they all got out knowing they were being targeted.

    You switching over to make sure you are in LOCKSTEP with your facist GOP brothers and abandoning the Ukraine?

    DD
     
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    Are you surprised ? Don't be fooled by basso. He's MAGA



    Pentagon leaks was a right wing nut job who was influenced by tucker. This is what happens when right wing extremists takes over the pentagon.

    Ban foxnews on all military bases ASAP. Tucker is a terrorist
     
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    basso is going to need a bigger pair of clown shoes.
     
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