Wemby or bust, trade the picks if we don't get Wemby.

Yeah bc you brought up the splits of showcase and regular season

51 attempts in 19 games vs 17 attempts in 6 games. You definitely have a better idea in a larger sample size what is a fluke or not

 

lol @ Brandon Miller being a generational player.

Not even the analysts who are highest on him think that he's that kind of talent. They just like him because they think he's a surefire high level starter. Nobody who knows anything about basketball thinks he's a future top 5 player in the league.

 

He looks like a Bol Bol. No one is going crazy over Bol Bol in the nba. He takes the worst shots I've ever seen. Running 3 pointers? That's a good way to get a foot injury.

 

and yet he still shoots better than Wemby...

 

Ok cool. Awesome. Wemby will still go #1

 

What does it matter? Stats in the G league don't.

 

Well, try first then before throwing away a future star for a vet bench guy

 

the OP listed a split, putting it off as full season stats.

The G-League plays a 50-game season. They have for many years. I don’t know now how to explain it simpler.

Scoot shot 32.4% for the year … if you don’t want to count all his games, fine. But at least acknowledge that you aren’t counting all his games.

 

Yeah he played 25 games all year and I split what he shot in the regular season (19 games) and showcase (6 games). Those numbers include both. One has a larger sample size than the other. And obviously larger sample sizes give you a better idea especially someone who shoots a whopping 2 a game

 

It hurts the narrative

 

Some of you need to go download the Ignite vs Wemby's Metropolitans game and try to tell me those aren't two ultra-high level prospects going at each other. Scoot just has it. He has that attitude you only see from a handful of truly special players. The combination of those intangibles plus insane athleticism is what scouts are betting on. I would not be surprised if Scoot makes a lot of y'all look like fools by pushing himself to become one of the best point guards of all time. He has that kind of competitive fire and that kind of raw talent.

Not saying there's any guarantee, but I would not want to be the guy betting against him.

 

I have to admit, that while I first started this post, I was thinking that this sounded like a terrible idea. Digging into the research a bit more, I'm less sure. Historically, trading a top 5 pick for a veteran has mostly been worth it, with two high profile failures coloring my view of it.

From the perspective of the team picking up the veteran:

2001: The best possible outcome (Elton Brand acquired for #2 Tyson Chandler), one all-time disaster (Shareef Abdur Rahim for #3 Pau Gasol)
2002: Disaster (Antonio McDyess for #7 Nene Hilario)
2004: Good outcome (Antawn Jamison for #5 Devin Harris)
2007: Great outcome (Ray Allen for #5 Jeff Green)
2009: Bad for both sides? (Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 Ricky Rubio)
2013: Great outcome (Jrue Holliday for #6 Nerlens Noel)

I still feel a bit uneasy about trading the high pick for Bridges, but I fully realize that it's unconscious bias against him because he's already been traded, as if two separate teams deemed him expendable. Similar to someone like Domantas Sabonis or Memphis Zach Randolph, he's completely legit, but doesn't quite fit the mold of a build-around superstar because he has blossomed late and after a trade; it's hard to change your opinion on a guy when your mind has labeled him a certain way. Much easier to dream on the untapped potential of a pick or a young rookie.

 

Not to gas up DD... but there was another short guy with muscles, who posted comparable (slightly better numbers in his two g-league seasons).

Henderson: (using the new link)

44.4% and 43.6 FG (year 2 and year 1)
32.4% and 17.4% 3pt (at 2.7 attempts / 2.1 attempts, yr 2 and yr 1)
6.6 and 3.6 Assists (yr 2, yr 1)
3.5 and 2.6 Turnovers (yr 2, yr 1)
75.0 and 77.8 FT%
5.1 and 5.0 REB​

Other guard

42.6% FG. (about same as Henderson)
38.0% 3pt. (at 10.6 attempts per game; decent volume and decent efficiency here)
6.1 Assists. (about same )
2.8 Turnovers (lower TOs)
81.5 FT% at (3.3 attempts per game, slightly better)
6.1 REB (slightly better)​

Spoiler: Other guy is

Rocket's own Chris Clemons

Look, the g-league stats are what they are. The scouts seems to swear by Henderson, because of their eye tests. So that does go further in my book. After all, they're experts right? And truthfully, I probably still take him over Brandon Miller. Even if Wemby is a risk; Henderson seems like a further drop off.


I think one of the reasons why Rockets fans really like Henderson is positionally speaking he can maybe solve our PG problem (replacing KPJ) and politically maybe not needing Harden (for those skeptical of Harden)... also cheaper rookie deal than a Harden or FVV.

Concern is that while we've seen players blaze up in the G-league, and later fail in the NBA. Was hoping at least Henderson would have light it up down there. Again, not so much on his volume like PPG or Assists per game, but at least better shooting efficiency and assist to turnover ratio at G-league competition.

If FT% is an indicator of future shooting, Henderson 76% is about average. NBA FT is something like 78% now. Pure guys like Reggie, Nash, Durant, Chris Paul; those guys their rookie year was in high 80% / low 90%. So it's very possible Henderson never becomes a good shooter. For now as a bridge, I'd probably value playmaking (above shooting); so if we have Henderson for a few years (even if not part of the core) I'm ok with it. Thing is if an org spends the 2nd pick on a guy; they would probably give that guy extra chances even into his 4th or 5th year.

And does anyone remember what Henderson did in his Rising star games (two years). I don't. Rising Star game tournaments don't mean much; just I don't remember him standing out when around NBA guys.

G-league stats are what they are, a small sample. Should Rockets still take him at #2, I'd probably would. Even with all current doubts. Our scouting department has had more hits than misses, so I'll just roll with the punches.

There are people who watched Henderson more than I, so I'm inclined to believe them. But generational to me is usually, a Jordan, Durant or Lebron, so that word has been used to describe the 6'1" guard. If we get #2, I'll still be happy, but the doubts needs to be eased by actual play (instead of hype).

After the last two years (and hype); most of these rookies really need lot of work, and few seems to be instant impact. Maybe Henderson will be that exception.

Tyty/KPJ.... and maybe Henderson, if these guys need time to acclimate to the NBA PG position, fine, but I don't want Green and Jabari's growth going to be stunted again. Unpopular opinion, but if I'm even OK with if we get a Harden or FVV, have Henderson as a backup PG to learn the ropes. So his 'learning curve' doesn't stunt Green and Bari's year 3/ year 2 growth.

 

A full season has the largest sample size, dude … not any of your splits.

He shot 32.4% for the full 50-game season.

 

"Core" doesn't mean squat on a crappy team unless the players have the tools or potential to be key parts of a winning team. If you don't have superstar talent you can bring in vets but you level off at blah. KPJ is a decent complimentary scorer, not someone you build around. Henderson might be great, he might bust, but he's got potential and tools that KPJ never had or will have. I can't believe we're comparing the two.

 

Scoot Henderson was an entire year younger than Nix, when Nix did well in the G-League.

Scoot spent his senior year or high school in the G-League.

Henderson also did very well against Wemby when he played, and battled nagging injuries this year.

He isn’t as good an athlete as Amen Thompson or Ja Morant, but he isn’t far off. He is extremely strong, has a near 7’0” wingspan and has even grown taller since last season.

Physically, other than being a little short, he has everything you want. He is very professional, driven and a strong leader that has a nasty competitive streak.

I will bet on guys like that. I will count on the jumper improving when he is 19-20-21 years old and defensively he has already made major strides.

Henderson is also smart - and that matters a lot.

Martian goes #1 because he is a genetic freak, but I wouldn’t bet against Henderson beating teams deep in the playoffs…. Trading away the #2-3 pick would be a big mistake IMO.

I’ll take a nucleus of Henderson, Smith, Green and Sengun and a handful of young role players.

 

And he played 25 of those. You keep bringing up 50 as if he played anywhere close to that. And 9 of those games during the showcase where it’s different from his 16 from the regular season.

 

He shot 32% for the year - from the NBA line, and that is while 18 years old and battling injuries.

There are no guarantees, but there is no reason to believe that he won’t improve from 3 going forward.

 

No. He shot differently during the showcase compared to the regular season. Just like how the preseason, play in, and playoff stats don’t count towards in season stats bc they’re a completely different situations. The showcase is obviously different than regular season games.

not everyone can be a good shooter. That’s one reason. Not everyone works to improve. That’s another reason. He can be a bust. Yet another reason