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2023 NFL Draft Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by gucci888, Sep 26, 2022.

  1. raining threes

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    Well at least the POS Avery is thinking.

    Instead of thinking about how to setup Watson with another w****.

    What QB has Avery ever coached that's won anything? I expect this trend to continue. Stay far away from guys Avery trains. Does Avery know Levis? As you know I dont want Ryans/Caserio to pick a QB in this draft, but if they do I'm beginning to hope it's Levis. Just so I can watch the media/this MB have a stroke. That would be very entertaining.
     
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  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Avery sounds like he is low IQ. Which is why he is mocking an cognition/aptitude test -- he knows deep down that he's not very bright.
     
  3. Phillyrocket

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    Could easily see Nick taking Anderson and then trading down from 12 to pick up another second and selecting Hooker.
     
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  4. Marshall Bryant

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    The question is still about value. Is a bad QB worth more than a very good Defender? That's the easy one. How about a questionable QB worth more than a potentially Great defender? Next, how about a potentially Great QB worth more than a very good defender?

    While there is no question about the QB having more impact on the team than any other player playing at the same level, the value question is HOW MUCH more valuable is the position than the reduction in performance compared to other options.

    People make easy decisions based on absolute statements like you HAVE TO draft a QB at 2 without even considering the cost.. The reverse is also true. NO RB is worth a 1st round pick without even considering the benefit.

    I'm far to removed from the evaluations to judge the players, but in the end, my general preference is for best value available. (This is a slight modification of my traditional BPA). It is why a great value which is not a position of immediate need should be considered if it falls in your lap. An extreme example is Picking Stroud at 2 yet having AR available at 12.
     
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  5. Marshall Bryant

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    Avery sounds like he is jealous of bright people which leads to his contempt for them.
     
  6. Marshall Bryant

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    The game I play most usually has Hooker available in the early third where we have 2 choices with McKee being the choice of QB needy teams in the 2nd.

    So I just have to trust the FO of the Texans with their evaluations, but the concept of getting more value selecting a riskier QB in the 2nd or third seems reasonable. I know some are just washing your hands of any QB picked lower than 1-8 as a potential star, but historically there is risk and reward up and down the draft board.
     
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  7. Two Sandwiches

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    No way you'd get that.
     
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  8. Marshall Bryant

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    1-6 1600
    1-18 900
    2024-3 ~85
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    2585

    1-2 2600
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    2600

    This is about the limit o entice a trade.

    Leaves us with:

    1-6
    1-12
    1-18
    2-33
    3-65
    3-73
    4-104
    5-161
    6-188
    6-201
    6-203
    7-230
    7-259

    Plus add DET 2024 Rd 3 (~100)

    I might like this draft. Particularly since one of Anderson,Young, Stroud, Carter, Levis or Richardson will be there at 6. And a very good player will be available at 1-18.

    I'd even consider moving down for early 2s like NYJ 2-42(480) and 2-43(470) for 1-18(900) and[maybe 4-104(86). Lot's of value in early 2nd round. Perhaps a 3 team trade.
     
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  9. Xopher

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    They could get 6, 18 and next year's 1st. That's why I said MAYBE on the 2nd rounder.
     
  10. Wattafan

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    This draft is deep.
    The first two rounds have plenty of talent.
     
  11. raining threes

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    I would take a 3rd this year and a 2024 1st.
     
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  12. Marshall Bryant

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    Just seeing an interesting trade possibility:

    Kansas City
    1 31 600
    2 63 276
    3 95 120
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    996

    Houston
    2 33 580
    3 65 265
    3 73 235
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    1080

    Benefit to Houston is a fifth year option on their 3rd 1st rounder. Move up to 63 makes a true center a little more likely to fall to Texans.
     
  13. Marshall Bryant

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    I would to, but I don't think they would agree.
     
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    This morning on 610, John McClain said he still thinks Carolina will draft Stroud and Texans will pick Bryce Young.
     
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    Really.....hmmmm, we`ll I hope he`s right and everyone else is wrong
     
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  17. raining threes

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    Depends on how much they like the grouping around 1-18.
     
  18. Shark44

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    Yes.
     
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  19. Fulgore

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    Texans odds at #2
    Stroud -220
    Bryce +225
    Will Anderson +350
     
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    https://theathletic.com/4399152/2023/04/12/hendon-hooker-nfl-draft-film/

    The public perception of the 2023 NFL Draft’s quarterback class has been a roller coaster ride. Before the season, the buzz was that this would be the strongest class we saw in a long time. Then as the season progressed, the nitpicking ensued: Is Bryce Young too small? Is C.J. Stroud a playmaker? Is Anthony Richardson too much of a project? Now, there is speculation that four quarterbacks could go within the top 10 picks and that even Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker might go in the first round.

    “You want to hear what teams think of Hendon Hooker?” NFL Network reporter James Palmer said on Steve Smith’s Cut to It podcast. “There are plenty of teams that have him above the bottom two that you mentioned (Richardson and Will Levis). There are plenty of teams that have him third on their list, right below those top two in Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud.”

    The Athletic’s Dane Brugler considers Hooker QB5 in this class and the No. 49 overall prospect in his top 100 rankings. He gives him a second-round grade.

    Vid

    There is a lot to like about Hooker’s film. He has a strong arm, he’s accurate, he can rip away from tackles in the pocket and make plays with his legs, and his stats pop off the page. In his two seasons at Tennessee, he threw 58 touchdown passes to only five interceptions, ran for another 10 touchdowns and completed nearly 70 percent of his passes. Last season, he led a major upset against Alabama, throwing for five touchdowns in that game. With traits and numbers like that, why isn’t he a consensus first-round quarterback?

    There are a few reasons. First, he’s 25 years old. To put that in perspective, he’s only a year younger than Lamar Jackson, who has played in the league for five seasons. Second, Hooker is coming off a torn ACL in his left knee, which has sidelined him for most of the pre-draft process. Third, the offense Hooker played in at Tennessee doesn’t translate to what he’ll be asked to do in the NFL, and it might have ingrained some bad habits in him.

    In short, Hooker has intriguing traits and production, but he’ll be a very old draft pick coming off a major injury with a notable developmental curve.

    Tennessee head coach Josh Heupel runs a version of the deep choice offense that Baylor made famous under disgraced coach Art Briles. This style of offense typically features a two-back run game, run/pass options and huge wide receiver splits to isolate receivers. Typically, one receiver is assigned a deep choice route in which he can choose where to run depending on what the defense does. Every other receiver’s job is just to occupy a defender to create space for the deep choice route.

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    vs. Alabama, 14:25 remaining in the fourth quarter, first-and-10

    In the clip above, note how the stack formation and the receiver on the opposite side of the field are all outside of numbers. You might see these splits once or twice per game from some of the more creative NFL teams, but Tennessee lined up like this routinely. Tennessee ran “slot choice” from the stack formation, meaning the receiver who ended up inside was assigned the choice route. He could have attacked vertically inside, faded outside or cut across the safety’s face. The safety closest to the stack rotated away, leaving space down the seam. Hooker and receiver Jalin Hyatt made the correct read, and Hooker hit him in stride for a touchdown.

    Though this is a fun and explosive college offense when run right, you can see some of the problems it can create in a quarterback’s development. Though the quarterback will check safety rotation, he’ll lock onto the receiver running the choice route and wait until he makes a decision. There aren’t many anticipation throws in this style of offense, and it shows up even when Hooker executes more traditional pass concepts.

    vs Alabama, 0:09 remaining in the fourth quarter, first-and-10

    Here, Tennessee had a dagger concept called. On the three-receiver side, the receiver closest to the sideline ran a dig route. With the score tied and only nine seconds remaining, the Vols needed to get into field goal range. On the play before, they ran this exact play only flipped to the other sideline and gained a big chunk of yards. Hooker knew where he was going with the ball as soon as the play was called. Yet, when the receiver made his break, Hooker hesitated and threw the ball late. He still had the arm strength to fit the ball in before the safety could make a play on it, but the pass was almost intercepted.

    Another drawback to this offense is that there aren’t a lot of pure progressions. Hooker mainly stared down the choice route, and if it wasn’t open, he hoped a check-down would be open or looked to scramble. When Baylor ran this offense under Briles, the team famously had the receivers who weren’t running the choice route just stand at the line of scrimmage and rest.

    vs. Georgia 14:17 remaining in the second quarter, first-and-10

    On this “outside choice” against Georgia, the furthest outside receiver to the bottom of the screen ran the choice route. The Georgia secondary played a two-deep coverage, and the safety was in position to break on the route. Hooker took a couple of hitches while staring down the route but decided not to throw it. He tried to look underneath, but he was late. The route was covered, and he ended up taking a sack on first down.

    Georgia 5:07 remaining in the second quarter, fourth-and-1

    Here, Tennessee ran “single choice,” which means the single receiver in a three-by-one formation runs the choice. The safety rotated away from that receiver, so the receiver kept running vertically. Georgia corner Kelee Ringo played the route tightly and held dominant positioning throughout. Hooker still took the shot, but the ball was intercepted.

    It wasn’t a terrible decision to throw deep in a one-on-one situation, but the play exemplifies one of the flaws with this style of football: Your receivers have to be significantly better than the opposing defensive backs to win deep play after play. That sort of talent gap doesn’t exist at the college level against a team like Georgia, and it rarely does in the NFL.

    Another way that this offense can be detrimental to a QB’s development is there aren’t a lot of built-in answers against the blitz. A lot of the time, the offense is in seven-man protections and just relying on the deep choice route to get open. In the NFL, quarterbacks have to have a variety of answers against the blitz.

    Though he has reportedly impressed teams in interviews, Hooker will face a steep learning curve in the NFL. He has a lot of traits you can’t teach, but we’ll see if a team will be willing to take a first-round bet on an older developmental prospect.
     
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