KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

I think we can and should expect improvement every year. Jalen improved overall as a player in his 2nd season unquestionably. I think he will continue to improve for the next several years.

Regarding a comparison to KPJ, I think we can expect him to have a better 4th year in the league than KPJ, based on his current career trajectory. I think there's a chance that happens next year too. So, if by "results" you mean as good as KPJ was in 2023, then I'd say next year or 2025 season latest.

 

The only thing he has to do to exceed KPJ's season is up his TS% by about 5% (.539 * 105% = .565), and I think he'll probably manage that next season.

JFC, you'd think from hearing you talk Green had been hanging around laying bricks for years. He was a rookie last season. He is the age of a second-year NCAA player.

 

You say that, but Green got even less efficient as a scorer in his 2nd season. He cranked up the volume, and he attempted to pass the ball more which is great, but the actual quality was actually a downgrade from where he finished last season. That's why I ask when we can finally expect some improvement and criticize him if he fails.

As to the other thing, it's fine, if you want to wait till Green is 23 to compare him to KPJ at 22, we can do that, at least you're setting a time where we can finally expect something of him.

 

There we go, you finally set a date where Green will have to finally show some improvement!

Given that his efficiency got even worse in his sophomore season than it was in his rookie season, you're setting the bar pretty high for him to not just improve back to his rookie season but go well beyond that all in one season.

I'd be thrilled if he managed to show that kind of improvement.

 

U compare players by the year of experience they accumulate in the league or their draft class not by their actual age.

It's not that complicated.

What kpj stan should b asking is when can we expect kpj to reach the level of ja morant's someone drafted in his draft class of 2019.

Or u can compare him to Tyler herro or Darius garland, compare the head honcho to his actual draft peers.

 

Completely different level of responsibility and also pressure from opposing defenses versus his rookie season with Wood and Gordon gone.

The fact that his efficiency was essentially the same (his TS% went down by like 1.5%) with much greater responsibilities, defensive pressure, and higher shot volume speaks to improvement, not getting worse.

 

Of course, him being worse means he was actually better.

 

There you go again, completely ignoring the actual point I made and just making a snide, dismissive comment. If you don't think he was asked to score under more defensive pressure, at higher volume, and in more critical game situations than in his rookie season, address those arguments, or concede the point. Don't just hand-wave them away. It makes you look like you're not even arguing in good faith.

 

In one year jalen will be at the same age as Kevin was last year. How many years is Kevin older than jalen?

a) 2
b) 1
c) 0
d) Sengun is our best player

 

The point you made is that his numbers were worse but that's actually good. LOL

His usage went from a team high 24% to a team high 28%

Honestly the only thing he actually did better this year than last year was drawing fouls. Everything else was just a product of him upping his usage and chucking more.

 

No, you mean to say, a year from now Jalen will be the same age as Kevin is right now.

Which apparently means Jalen is 35 years younger than Kevin.

Also, if he gets worse, it actually means he's gotten better.

Down is up, up is sideways.

Jalen Green fans are fun.

 

Okay, so once again, do you think that it isn't more difficult being asked to have higher usage, take more shots in critical game situations when the defense is super locked in, and be the top scoring option? Do you just completely base your entire evaluation of a player on TS% and nothing else? No context matters, higher usage doesn't make it harder to be efficient, heavier roles aren't heavier lifts? Respond to the damn argument. You're still dodging.

 

I’m excited we are starting these interviews immediately. It’s going to be competitive; there are lots of teams out there potentially looking at head coaching alternatives. How safe is Billips? How safe is Casey? How safe is Jason Kidd? Toronto may be in the mix. The Bulls can’t be happy with Donovan. There are even whispers about the 6ers.

point being, the rockets need ti zero in on their top 2 choices and lock this thing down….before other competing opportunities materialize. Guys like Atkinson and Udoka are gonna have other options.

but very excited we are putting the foot on the pedal.

 

Jalen Green is 1 year and 10 months younger. He has 2 less seasons played. They both joined at 19.

Any sane person understands the 2 year difference between a 21 and 23 year old in terms of development is significantly different than the difference between a 9 year vet and a 11 year vet.

This is a fact of life for pretty much any profession. Any new job, the experience difference between a one year employee and a 3 year employee is significantly different in terms of work experience than the difference between a 10 year employee and a 12 year employee.

 

No, a year from now Jalen will have just turned 22. KPJ is currently days away from his 23rd birthday. That's not the same thing. It seems important for you to ignore KPJ's 3rd season in this conversation since his 2 point % and FT % were bad last year. Good on him for improving this season at both.

 

Neither player is 23....so who are you talking about?

Is this you lying again?

 

That's fine, we can wait till Jalen is 23 to expect him to finally be on the level of KPJ at 22....I'm just glad that we can set a timeline for him to ACTUALLY show some progress even if it's a weird one. Hell, we can wait till Jalen is 24 to expect him to be on the level of KPJ at 22 if that's what you think is fair. I was just hoping we weren't going to have to wait till Green was 30.

 

He took poor shots and chucked, he didn't have to do that. No one asked him to do that.....he's just not a very good shooter at this point and he doesn't have very good court vision, so he forced a bunch of things a smarter player would have passed out of.

Maybe when he's 35 we can expect him to have made progress on that.

 

He's 23. When you are 22 and 330 days old, you are 23. The world doesn't operate in discrete math. That's for computer science nerds. Real life is continuous calculus based.

 

Oh, so you're lying again....just like when you talked about Jalen Green being 19 when he had his post all star break hot streak his rookie season when he was definitively 20 at the time.

Damn kid, you're just going to stop having to be so fundamentally dishonest in these conversations.