KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

If what Green has been in his career as a scorer thus far is described as “inefficient chucker” then how would someone describe KPJ as a scorer?

Up until about the 1/3 to 1/2 mark of this season KPJs scoring/efficiency in any single season had been worse than either of Greens rookie and sophomore year scoring efficiency.

if we’re ranking their seasons as far as efficient scoring goes it’s

KPJ year 4
Green year 1 or 2
Green year 1 or 2 depending on how you want to grade his volume vs efficiency trade off between the 2 seasons
Then KPJs first 3 seasons in some order.

Obviously there is more to the game then just scoring I just wonder how a KPJ defender would describe him as a scorer if Green is to be described as an “inefficient chucker”.

 

I always root for the best players on the Rockets no matter who they are. I've never been a player first or player only fan, it's always Rockets first, Rockets only.

 

Feel free to hold your breath about Jalen becoming a completely different kind of player one day, but I tend to believe things once I see reason to believe them.

Jalen went from an inefficient scoring rookie, to a more inefficient scoring sophomore at 21. If next season Green ends up as efficient as KPJ at 22, then I'll be absolutely thrilled.....and his fanbois will be declaring him the greatest player in the history of the world.

 

Next season is Green's 3rd and KPJ's 5th. They are basically two years apart in age, not one. If you compare KPJ's .493 EFG% in his 2rd season to Green .486 EFG% at the same age and experience level, they are virtually identical, even without accounting for the increased volume. In year one, they also had nearly identical EFG%. I'm not a Green fanboi, but if you're comparing them, you should try to compare apples to apples.

 

Next season Jalen Green turns 22, and KPJ is currently 22.....also I thought Jalen Green was supposed to be a superstar prospect? Is it asking too much for him to be in the ballpark of KPJ's quality at age 22 when he's 22?

To date, KPJ has logged 5928 minutes in the NBA, Jalen has logged 4740 minutes. Their NBA experience is fairly similar, their age is fairly similar.

How many years does Green get a pass before he actually has to play well?

 

Their ages are not "fairly similar" in the context of basketball development. Going to keep repeating this: Ages 19-22 are the time of the most rapid development for a young professional ballplayer. They are 21 months different in age. That is literally 43% of that crucial period of development. That's an enormous difference in that age bracket. So too is ~1200 minutes of game experience. That's a big deal when you're a second-year player, a huge chunk of your total minutes played. But remember also that a ton of development happens off the court under professional training/coaching personnel. Two extra seasons of gaining that experience is huge.

You're just being stubborn about this whole issue and intentionally ignoring it because it doesn't suit your pre-decided judgment.

 

The age is not similar and the experience is not. KPJ is 1 year, 9 months, and 5 days older than Green. It's like comparing a sophomore in college with a senior.

KPJ doesn't get bonus points for playing fewer minutes per season - the reason behind that is the way he bombed out of Cleveland in his 2nd year. His attitude and temper have long been a problem.

 

KPJ is currently 22, Jalen Green turns 22 nextd season....that's not THAT big of a difference, certainly not anywhere near the difference between their level of development.

This is especially relevant given how KPJ's development was stunted by a bad situation in Cleveland for 2 years while Jalen Green has been given the keys to the franchise since day 1.

 

The point was that KPJ is currently 22, Jalen turns 22 next season....do we really expect Jalen to develop as much as KPJ already has by next season?

How many more years does he get to underperform before facing criticism for it?

 

You are being very disingenuous here.

Why is it so hard to admit that KPJ is 21 months older than Green?

 

.....I'm not though. I'm asking about if next season when Jalen is 22 if he'll be expected to be as developed as KPJ when he was 22. How is that in any way unfair?

If this time next season, Jalen is still a high volume low efficiency chucker that is the worst defensive player on the team that hasn't developed his passing skills....what are we going to say about it? Do we keep making excuses? If so, how many more years do we make those excuses?


Do we have to wait till he's 35 to expect him to have shown some level of competence?

 

I gave you the age difference. You didn't need me to look it up. It's a literal fact that you can do with what you will.

KPJ's situation in Cleveland was bad because he made it so. His conduct got him suspended from USC in 2019, so he wasn't a high draft pick. Then he was suspended to begin the 2020-21 season in Cleveland due to a weapons charge. He never played for Cleveland that year because he blew up in the locker room and the Cavs were done with him. KPJ was not a victim in any of those circumstances.

 

Or that Greens year 1 was clearly better than KPJs year 1 and 2 and that there wasn’t some gigantic gap between KPJs year 3 and Greens year 1. Or that KPJ has been “given the keys to the franchise” to a level maybe not quite as high as Green has but not that far off either. The players who had the ball as much as KPJ has over the last two seasons are essentially all varying level of stars in this league. They both got the leeway to play a lot of bad basketball these last two years.

 

Kpj stans Doubling down on stupidity. Only with kpj do u have folks think that kpj isn't a 4th year vet going onto his 5th year simply bc he is near In Age to a 2nd year player.

 

So now that you're done dodging, can we go back and have you answer the question?

Since KPJ is currently 22 and Jalen Green will turn 22 next season, can we expect that Jalen will show that level of development next season?

Can we finally expect efficient scoring from him? Can we expect development as a combo guard?

If not, why not and how many more years do we keep making excuses for him?

 

Since KPJ is currently 22 and Jalen Green will turn 22 next season, can we expect that Jalen will show that level of development next season?

Kpj will be a 5th year vet and green will b a 3rd year player, can we expect that Jalen Green will showcase the playing ability of a 5th year player next season?

Do u know how stupid that sounds?

That's like getting mad that a 3rd grader isn't on the same level of a 5th grader even though they are similar in age.

 

KPJ was 22 entering the 2023 season, Green will be 21 entering the 2024 season and for the majority of it.

Yes, I think we can expect more efficient scoring from him as soon as next season, with a bigger jump in his 22y/o season (2025).

 

So then we have to wait till the season he turns 23 for us to expect him to be on par with KPJ's 22 year old season?

That's fine, I just wanted to pin down exactly when we can expect results from Jalen, I don't care if it takes him longer, I just want to set a date for when criticism of him failing to produce will be acceptable.

 

They are two years apart in age, not one. To be exact it's like 1 year and 10 months.

 

I am pretty certain that he threw some of that time away......