oops IT HAPPENED AGAIN! - Paul George just gave Al Pee high praise

My point is we don’t know yet how good he’s going to be and he has alot to work on to get to the next level.

If there was definitive evidence that Sengun is a generational talent then yeah the record would reflect. Early on in KD’s first two seasons you might be able to say the same thing… but the evidence later coincided with wins.

Lebron, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq are just a few of the handful of talents off of the top of my head that have that immediate impact, and it’ll drive NBA old timers crazy to compare anyone at the Sengun level to anyone on that short list. I see floor comparisons for sure. Roof comparisons.. huge guess for ANYONE here.

 

You just contradicted yourself.

 

Read it again. Slower this time. I know you are a busy CEO and all so I understand…

 

You did contradict yourself. Basically said that if Sengun was generational then we'd see it in our wins but this doesn't apply to Durant who was clearly generational and didn't start winning until his 3rd season so....it applies to Sengun but doesn't apply to Durant?

 

Yes. Offensively that mid-jumper without hesitation would give him Pau Gasol like up-side. Despite the nay-sayers I think his defense can improve to average. It will depend on the other parts of the team whether that will lead to a good overall defense that can compete in the playoffs. It is way too early to call Sengun a savior or bust. He is 20 years old and has improved at virtually every aspect of his game with the exception of FT shooting. No reason to be in a hurry to trade him.

 

Kevin Durant's first two seasons: 20-62, 23-59.
Second season was already with Westbrook.
Third season was with Harden. 50-32 record.

@dobro1229 shot himself in the knee with that argument.

Sengun has only played two seasons in the NBA.

On a team that wanted to tank and that spent a huge portion on its cap space on players it didn't play (Wall, etc.) And he had to play under Silas, and with KPJ and Nix.

Let's see what happens next season, under a competent coach and with some good additions. It might just be Harden again who helps to fix the record. Who knows.



(by the way, that video is kind of ridiculous, lol)

I just remembered what Harden wrote in his goodbye letter to Houston fans:

https://basketballforever.com/2021/...oodbye-letter-to-houston-in-social-media-post

 

You are a real jerk. Claiming racism where it doesn’t exist does a de-service to all colors of people. Get back to sports.

 

Now, that (along with defense) should be a team effort and responsibility.
We know that Sengun commands double teams; what gets on my nerves is that whenever he gets the ball on the low block, every teammate of his freezes instead of cutting, rolling, getting open. I'm certain Silas, bless his soul, never preached taking advantage of double teams.
Just by having possession of the ball, Sengun frees up at least one teammate. What comes after that depends on who's sharing floor with him.
KMJ: cut. J'ST: cut. The rest? Meh.

 

A post that needs recognition because it addresses what is posted as the opinion of the poster, not a group of posters as Sengun only fans.

 

Whole lotta justifying yourself there bud lol but don't worry I don't care about you at all just found it funny how obvious you made it

 

What do you think about Sengun, do you think he can play ball?

Also, I'm German and Theis sucked, he was awful lol.

 

Nothing brings the haters out of the woodwork like a fellow NBA player praising Sengun, because then they really can't say ****.
Hence all the absurd hoop-jumping to convince themselves it doesn't matter lol.

 

You filter for blocks and steals with sengun's numbers and since there are very few players above that, you use it as proof that he should be a good defender or rim protector(roughly, this is not exactly what you say). This kind of statistical reasoning is not good. When you filter players for more than one category using a player's stats, as long as the player is slightly above average at both, few players will remain above that. Because there are basically three cases:

Player is very good at one of them: say Embiid 112 blocks 65 steals or more modestly Poetl 86 blocks 66 steals
Player is above average at both: Sengun 72 blocks 70 steals

If you filter for Embiid's or Poetl's numbers, Sengun will not make it. If you filter for Sengun's numbers Poetl will not make it. It is in the nature of filtering and comparing in more than one category. But it is hard to say Sengun is better than any of the two based on these numbers.

It still of course shows that Sengun is much better than some people give him credit for and he has defensive presence in some areas. All I want to point out is filtering this way to get few players remaining overblows what the numbers show. This is something KPJ stans do, except they usually need 5 categories to have the same effect .

The other aspect is I don't think Sengun being good at these numbers is an answer to the claimed defensive weaknesses. Steals are what they are. KPJ has decent steal numbers but he is a terrible defender. I don't think Sengun risks as much as kpj does to get his steals, so I think they are more valuable. But he has to improve on challenging the guards shots(once again i think he is better than his reputation with some posters here) without fouling and that is one big part of defense.

 

dude's got skills... hopefully we get a coach that knows how to utilize him...

 

Here is what he really said

 

Basically calling him out for Cherry picking essentially right?

 

You are right. I got that from some tweet.

I also tried filtering for just combined steals and blocks. He is no. 34 in the NBA based on that. Still not bad, there are 30 teams and roughly 500 players.

But you are also right that steal and blocks alone != good defense

 

Seems clear to me that I meant at that time... meaning when KD was a rookie and 2nd year player like other players not in the Lebron, Shaq, Hakeem, short list you could see a very intriguing floor, and upside talent, but there wasn't yet evidence that he'd be a finals MVP, and perennial MVP candidate.

Yes... he BECAME a generational talent, but the evidence wasn't there to be that definitive about his talent until I think it was that first year in OKC where you had the evidence that yeah... this guy is a superstar to build around and try to keep forever. KD even at Texas was obvious a phenomenal talent, but there was no guarantees until he developed.

I'm not really sure why I even need to explain that much more. I just wish the SOF's would settle down and let the guy develop on his terms instead of setting expectations to a level that isn't fair to him. The guy obviously has a ton of talent, and its a good thing that his floor is where it is, and is clear to see. This same thing happened with Lin where he actually was becoming a better player because him, and the coaches were realizing and helping him develop on the things he needed to work on to have a lasting career. Instead the LOF'ers flipped out anytime the guy was talked about with has, the media, and treated by the coaches as if he wasn't the next Kobe. I don't want Sengun to be the next Lin or D-Mo.... I want him to actually be in the NBA and with the Rockets for a long time.

So just calm it folks. Don't Lin/D-Mo the guy to death. More than anything it isn't fair to the guy you are taking a blood oath for.

 

Lebron, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq, & KD were all the focal points for their respective teams from the start. If anything Silas did all he could to keep Sengun from being the focal point other than January of this year. In January the team played much better when the ball was in Sengun's hands even if not translate into wins. This team has had historically bad coaching the last few seasons. Any coach worth a crap would have made Sengun the focal point. Good coaches put the ball in the hands of their best players hands. Silas spent most of the last two years trying to limit Sengun. I fully expect that to change under a real coach. Sengun will win over the few remaining doubters next year,