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KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DasouthDakota, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Not even just that, who actually stays in the corner to get those passes?

    You have to realize that certain people will run down KPJ no matter what happens, it's just a reflex for them. For whatever stupid reason they are players only fans who somehow feel as if KPJ doing well is a threat to their pet player.

    We just have to put up with these morons and hope one day they come around.
     
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    That improvement in free-throw shooting is noteworthy, and Sengun should really strive to follow KPJ's example on that one. I have been very disappointed with Sengun's free-throw shooting this year.
     
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    There is a difference between refusing to pass to the corner and being incapable of making the read. The fact that KPJ would miss the read whether it's Eric Gordon in the corner or Nix, means it's a lack of ability.
     
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    Ok.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Ya man that's a very basic read. The "special part" is keeping the defender on the hip which even Green is able to do.

    The read itself is very basic. It's a direct line of sight pass any shooting guard can make.
     
  9. Verbal Christ

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    Give him good shooters out there. He see's it - he just doesnt trust the bricklayers on the team currently.

     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    That should be a goal this off-season, try to pick up a 3 point shooter as good as KPJ so he has someone to pass to.

    Even in your clip here, he's passing to a 30% shooter
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Honestly KPJ isn't at the level of player where he should be "not trusting" open corner shooters regardless of how bad he perceives them to be. He's a starting pg of a NBA team. His job is to initiate offensive sets which he is horrible at and finding teammates. His primary goal is setting up an offense. The problem with KPJ is he wants the end of possession to end with either a bucket from him or a recorded assist from him
    That one video you showed of him passing out that I responded to, he only passes out because he thought Tate would shoot the ball.

    His refusal to do things like as soon as bringing the ball up if he sees someone like Jabari pinning down a smaller defender and immediately passing the ball to him is why he shouldn't be pg. Like look at the difference in how Green views the job of pg when he was pg for the last couple of games for long stretches. As soon as he saw someone like Sengun or Jabari pinning down a defender, he immediately goes to them without hesitation. His mindset isn't "can I end this possession with a bucket or assist" like KPJ. His mindset when he's pg is "how can we end this possession with points regardless of who gets the assist or points recorded". He has that basic sense when someone tells him he's running point. KPJ doesn't have that sense.
     
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    Ok, but the assists are there. Going off of memory recall does the player no service. The kid routinely has X amount of potential assists per game that are usually in excess of 10+ and the guys on this team leave him out to dry more often than not. If KPJs hard assist number was hovering around 8+ what would be the complaint? You say he refuses to make the pass, and some of that is on him sure I can compromise, but its definitely not a one sided coin here. You cant run Jalen at point because he cant protect the ball -- that was tried already. Jalen has a nice assist game one night and then suddenly HE can be a point guard (if only it were that easy). Hockey assist in the clip you reference are a thing too. Putting the defense out of position leading to an open shot that his teammates usually miss!

    This whole team sucks at entry passing using Jalen in a similar role in a small sample size in that regard as some example on poor corner passing is just wavering all over the place.

    Give this team better shooters and it really wouldnt matter who ran "point" IMO. To say he is incapable and blind to the plays is something that I cant subscribe to because there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. His biggest issue for most of the year was taking care of the ball THAT was my biggest gripe.
     
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    Kpj can't even carry the offensive load for his team, get that sht can't trust his shooters bs out of here.

    He has horrible court vision hence y he never feeds the hot player
     
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    Compare his potential assist numbers to other starting guards of his usage level and time of possession level.
     
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    So you want KPJ to be on par with guys like Harden, Halliburton, Paul and those kind of guys? Well I guess in that example I'd have to accept that KPJ isnt one of the best PGs in the league, but as has been proven you dont NEED that type of player to win it all. Time of possession/usage is dominated by the guys on each team tasked with handling the ball right? For KPJ it gets used as a quasi negative when by nature it shouldnt surprise anyone. All of this is on KPJ and yet you still dont accept the reality that this team was a terrible shooting team. If this team were even average shooters it would have changed the outcome of plenty of games and it couldnt be used as a qualifier on any single player. A good portion of the guys who dominate the TOP and potential assist categories also have very good shooters surrounding them except for Halliburton who I can say is a better distributor of the ball than KPJ and not feel like its some sort of baseline and cause to go find someone like that. They dont grow on trees.

    KPJ is in the same neighborhood in these stats as Shai, Giddey, Brunson, Curry etc... but for whatever reason these other guys are "good" and KPJ is a player to be discarded - strange rationale.
     
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    I think those are the only type of guys who DESERVE that amount of possession time.

    KPJ hasn't earned that type of dominance of the ball.
     
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    Jalen has? Sengun has? TyTy? This is a circular argument ignoring the elephant in the room. My memory recall had some of the Sengun guys shook when he would make the right pass to only have it missed. Funny how that works!

    It all begins and ends with shooting.
     
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    Jalen and Sengun do not have anywhere near the possession time of KPJ. Pretty much every team will have a player around the usage rate of Green. Not every team has a player with as high of the possession time per game as KPJ. The teams that do are elite playmaking guards and Terry Rozier.

    You don't have to have a offense that has a lead guard dominating the ball. Part of that is Silas and Stone's fault for allowing KPJ to have the free will to dominate the ball as he does and part of that is that is how KPJ thinks of himself. As a ball dominant heliocentric type guard like a Trae Young. That is absolutly horrible when you have a roster full of high end developing talent. This team needs a Conley Jr at pg not freaking KPJ man.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    C'mon, know your audience, this special guy thinks that the ONLY player in the world that DESERVES that amount of possession time is his lord and savior, Jalen Green.

    To take away from the time of possession and glory of Jalen is haram.
     
  20. Verbal Christ

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    Here is the TOP list. KPJ sits 12th in the league in a guard driven offense. Where should he be? You want others to share that load on THIS team -- who?

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?dir=D&sort=TIME_OF_POSS

    Lets not digress too much during this venting session and forget that the original topic was his inability to diagnose and make the right pass! Now we are on TOP and whatever that means for those invested in it.
     

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