If we don't draft a PG and don't land Harden, who do you want playing point guard next season?

uh the rockets are because that's what he would be in the case that he immediately signs

the rockets need a pg period. But its not FVV at max. I'll easily pass on that any day.

 

No he wouldn't lol. Why would he? Especially if we draft Wemby. Guys like Green, Sengun and hypothetical Wemby are going to be above him in the pecking order.

If we get someone like a Conley Jr or Rubio they don't become the primary option. They just are the senior vet pg who can do things like direct traffic in a half court set.

 

Uh yes he would. No they wouldn't. None of those guys are better than FVV right now. What a silly assumption.

yeah I'm going to sign FVV to a big money deal but he's not even 4th in usage on a team that can barely win 20 games. gtfoh.

what a stupid pecking order

 

He scores less on the same efficiency as our sophmore who just turned 21. By the mere projection of a player going into their third year with added experience means it's obvious that no one would consider FVV a primary option compared to High first round picks who aren't busts.

 

and? what has that sophomore lead his team to. oh continuing to be one of the worst team in the league.

but hey lets sign a big FA like FVV and have him be some 4th option because this current team has proven guys that are better than him. just dumb

 

If no Harden or Henderson I think that KPJ will be the pg next season. One option that I like if either KPJ or Henderson is the guy is bringing in TJ McConnell from Indiana. He is a 31 year old backup with career averages of 7 points and 5 assists in 20 mpg. He is also a plus shooter which we need. I just think he is a gettable vet who can help whichever young PG we have develop. Not a sexy pick but, I think, a sneaky good one. I cant see Indiana being too attached to him at $8M/season when they have Haliburton and Nembhard both playing that position. I wish I could remember who originally turned me on this idea or what thread it was in to give props. Sorry.

 

That doesn't really make sense, why trade your best shooter? I mean, I understand if the GM shared the mental illness so common among certain Sengun fans, they'd probably cut KPJ, but assuming they were at least halfway intelligent and mentally sound, there's just no reason to want to trade one of your best young players that you have locked up long term when you won't get anything close to as good in return.

Even if the team brings in a Harden or Henderson type, you still wouldn't look to move KPJ since he'd be a perfect SF for a team with a competent passing guard as an elite catch and shoot player.

 

He’s a good player. No denial there. Just don’t think he’s worth the money, particularly in the role I think we want filled. He’s smart but only a good playmaker, not great and he’s very clearly not an efficient scorer. If it comes down to it I just would rather let KPJ do roughly the same then spend more money on a not so big upgrade.

 

You're just being obtuse now.

The were at a 50 win pace when FVV played even in the season they won 27 games, and also this year. When FVV plays his team has been great every season of his career. That's the facts.

Nobody is talking about giving FVV the max. $30M/yr starting salary is what's been discussed in the media as the high end of his range. That's good starter money in the NBA going forward. The cap will be at $162MM in two years, the luxury tax line at $195MM. If you think $30M for a good starting PG is too much I don't know what to tell you.

And again, I think he's the third best option after Harden and Scoot H. But obviously better than any other choice.

 

nah it isn't. lol they were never on pace to win 50 games this year. They've literally struggled all year long. just silly assumptions. clearly you haven't kept up with toronto regularly

doesn't matter what anyone outside of FVV thinks regarding his range. This summer he'll definitely be looking to get paid and its one of the biggest reasons the talks of leaving toronto are there to begin with. I'll easily spend for a top pg like Harden. FVV doesn't fit that bill. what you're talking about is settling. Settling for much lesser players while paying them big money is what bad teams do. I'll pass on that


At no point in the season was Toronto ever on some make believe 50 win pace

Oct: 4-3
Nov: 7-7 (11-10)
Dec: 5-10 (16-20)
Jan: 7-9 (23-29)
Feb: 8-3 (31-32)
March: 7-7 (38-39)

 

Despite what listings say, he's effectively the same size as KJ Martin or Tate so that size narrative kind of falls apart.

I think the reason why certain people REALLY want to push the "6th man" narrative is because they are hoping that they could create a problem that would lead to him being off the team and they are just too cowardly to state their true opinion because they know it's really dumb.

Sorry killer, you're just going to have to accept that the team isn't going to dump one of the best young players on the roster who is locked up long term.

 

Epic fail

Harden aint coming back and starting. for a 20-40 win team. And at least defensively he will not be the PG.

The Rocket will draft a PG.

Either Henderson or Smith or Wallace at the top draft.

Or Wallace (nbadraft.net has him at #18) or Jalen Hood-Schifino at about the 20th pick.

Rocket still need a vet PG. One of the Jones brothers will do.

I would not be surprised if a veteran HC moves KPJ to starting SG with Green as his backup.

 

They gave him a "prove it" deal, and he's already out-performing it.

If I just posted his raw numbers without telling you who he was, you'd be on board to sign that player to a massive contract to replace him.

Look, I understand that quite a few of you guys are afflicted with a certain pathological condition, and I try not to hold it against you, but it's just weird.

While I'll try to be understanding about your condition, will you at least make an effort to work on it?

 

So you just don't care about the actual data of whether they're winning or losing when he's on the court, you're just going off your own vibes about Toronto? lol. Great scouting. I'm sure this is closely matches what the Rockets front office will be going off of.

If you guys are mad that we'd pay $30M/yr to the ~12-13th best PG in the NBA, man are you guys going to be mad when Jalen signs his $43M/yr rookie extension next summer.

 

oh actual data from you says toronto was on pace to win 50 wins. must have grabbed that data out of the trash. Great scouting.

If jalen signs some rookie extension for that much and the rockets are still winning 20 games, welp newsflash you should be mad. If you're not then, you just like losing organizations

At no point in the season was Toronto ever on some make believe 50 win pace. They spent the entire season just trying to get above .500

Oct: 4-3
Nov: 7-7 (11-10)
Dec: 5-10 (16-20)
Jan: 7-9 (23-29)
Feb: 8-3 (31-32)
March: 7-7 (38-39)

 

If we land the 3rd pick, give me Walker and go after FVV. If we land 2nd, we should definitely draft Scoot or dangle that pick and trade it for Walker + a nice vet from Brooklyn. 1st pick you just have to take Wemby and then try to get a FVV. Harden meh