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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    lol the guy is wearing a Germany jersey

    wasn't me though, I promise

     
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    Lol. This dude should go viral and do the talk show circuits. It’s hilarious to see the little elf and his handlers tucked tails and ran away. He should watch his back though, accidents do happened when you poked the hornets’ nest
     
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    https://mikehulme.org/the-most-important-book-of-2023/

    The Most Important Book of 2023
    by Mike Hulme

    Those readers who followed my blog posts during the pandemic years of 2020 and 2021 will know I became increasingly frustrated and bewildered, then angry, and finally depressed, about the institutionalized responses to the COVID pandemic, which in my opinion, became increasingly authoritative, draconian and regressive.

    I warned about the performative power of epidemiological models and about the dangers of sleep walking into totalitarianism; I against the tyranny of lockdown policies, against the anti-democratic forces that ruled almost entirely unchallenged and railed against the silence of the academic left in challenging the reactionary politics that prevailed. I had to defend my motivation for signing in October 2020 the Great Barrington Declaration against the charge of moral callousness and of being in the pocket of right-wing libertarians.

    It was only in December 2021, nearly two years after the pandemic started, that I was able to write about the political left calling out socially regressive, anti-democratic and reactionary policies of COVID authoritarianism.

    And now, from African historian Toby Green, at King’s College London, and political commentator Thomas Fazi, comes a brilliant and much needed analysis of the ‘silence of the left’ in the face of an authoritarian iatocracy. In ‘The COVID Consensus: The Global Assault on Democracy and the Poor – A Critique from the Left’, Green and Fazi expose — with precision, clarity and authority — the reactionary nature of the response of the political-medical establishment – or what they call “the techno-media-pharma complex” — to the pandemic.

    Reflecting my own frustrations at the ‘silence of the left’, Green and Fazi explain their motivation for writing: “As writers who have always understood ourselves as being on the political left, we were drawn together by our incomprehension at how the mainstream left had supported policies which so clearly and manifestly unleashed economic warfare on the poorest sections of society, as well as on women and the young” (p.25). As they observe, “it’s impossible to consider any aspect of the pandemic response of lockdowns and vaccine mandates as progressive” (p.210).

    Of what they call “the laptop class” (p.439) who backed the historically unprecedented policy to shut down entire national societies, they observe “Politicians, opinion-formers able to work remotely, and university scientists in secure employment announced that [lockdown] was a price that had to be paid for a collective good, although none of them personally had to pay it—and, indeed, many of them saw their disposable incomes rising” (p.21/22). This was in contrast to the young (especially school children), to women (especially those with caring responsibilities), to the elderly (left to die alone, separated from family), and to the poor (especially those in the informal economies of the Global South).

    I shared the bewilderment of Green and Fazi in the lack of critique from the political left of ‘Big Pharma’, which collectively made tens of billions of dollars profit whilst receiving from the state near total protection from indemnity. “Why [did] so many people, especially on the liberal and radical left – which historically has denounced the capture of governments and institutions by corporate interests – uncritically accept the information provided by vaccine makers and embrace the mainstream discourse around vaccines and mandates?” (p.194).

    I would urge everyone to read this book, even if only the first 25 pages – the Introduction – or the even shorter 14-page Conclusion. Green and Fazi ask all the right questions, most of which during 2020 and 2021 the political left and much of the media refused to ask. From a traditional critical left perspective, they also offer some powerful reasons as to why this came about, not least the defending at all costs of a single totalising narrative which, in the name of science, lent power to authoritarian instincts, corporate power and surveillance capitalism and which sought to silence opponents.

    Green and Fazi conclude their book thus, again echoing my own argument from February 2021: “In the end, if we believe in freedom of thought, democratic discussion and decision-making, international justice, open government and an end to the politics of crisis, we have to fight for them – individually and collectively as best we can” (p.448).

    Mike Hulme, 21 March 2023



     
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    Kyrie told Fauci!
     
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    That is not what the WHO stated.
     
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    Sad trend I’m seeing is that older (boomers) are dying from ‘Pneumonia’ left and right. After some discussion it comes out that it’s really Covid but their spouses don’t want to say it out loud.

    wtf is wrong with this country?
     
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    Doesn't say they are not needed. It may seem like a subtle point, but it's not. We both work in medically related fields and know that language isn't to be interpreted as not needed.
     
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    I looked at the data. The risk/benefit analysis for children (and anyone healthy under 49) is not positive with the current vaccines. Even more so when they already had Covid.

    People can still decide to get it, but mandating it is ridiculous.
     
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    From what I recall that depends on the country and types of vaccines as well. The health system of a country plays a big role.

    In terms of risk/benefit, the long term risks of Covid in any population is still unknown as COVID hasn't been around long enough. They have seen brain changes in children who have had COVID but do not know what the implications of those changes are yet.

    The guidance from the WHO is to help countries that have limited resources and need to prioritize health care and resources (such as vaccines), and the guidance needs to be taken in that context.
     
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    The vaccine doesn't prevent getting Covid, so your post is besides the point.

    Almost everyone has had Covid by now, and most scientists agree by now that natural immunity from prior infection is better than whatever the vaccines do.
     
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    The goal of the vaccine isn't to stop you from getting sick but rather having severe disease which is what does longer term damage.

    You are right that if you have had a recent infection a vaccine will do little good in the months following that. I had COVID last summer for instance and skipped the booster after that. But I will get it this year as the immunity of COVID wears off within 6 months regardless of whether it was a shot or having the disease.
     
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    Do you agree that mandates are wrong?
     
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    In what context? We don't say seat belt laws are wrong.

    Should healthcare workers, ATC's and pilots require COVID vaccines? I think there's a strong case for that. As for school children, I don't think it's necessary at this stage.
     
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    Why do you think there is a case for that?
     

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