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Another day another mass shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. DonnyMost

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    Demographics are rarely mentioned in headlines unless it is in relation to a hate crime/part of an established motive.
     
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    Fair. I've noticed that motive on this shooting has been pretty quiet even with the presence of a manifesto and the shooter person telling their friend that it would make sense soon.
     
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    Try 5% for Americans under 30 years old.

    21% of those under 25% self identify themselves as LGBTQ.

    It is a sizeable number of young people.
     
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    Are you okay ? You've been acting like tinman lately.
     
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    If someone shot up a school with a different religious affiliation the coverage would be different
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    There's not much doubt in my mind this attack has something to do with the friction between trans-identity, the church, and the modern political climate.

    That being said, even if that ends up being true, it's a lot more complicated than just "racial supremacist shoots person of another race".

    I was obviously talking about the general population.

    One has to wonder about the demographic split.

    You can find the same spikes on the coasts.
     
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    Makes you wonder.

    Do other headlines read "CHRISTIAN TERRORIST BLOWS UP ABORTION CLINIC"?
     
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    Those numbers are crazy to me.
     
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    IIRC, the chief of police said there was a vast amount of writing in the manifesto. It might just take more time to understand it, and it's possible that the police are unsure of the shooter's motive because the writing makes no sense. Remember that, according to the MNPD chief of police, the shooter under a doctor care for emotional disorder. If there is a school shooting that is primarily due to mental illness (although I tend to think that all school shooters are mentally ill), this could be it. Given these, at current, it makes very little sense to have any thought that the police is holding back or trying to hide something.

    Regardless of the motive or level of mental instability, the question that isn't being asked or is just accepted is: How was a mentally unstable person able to legally purchase seven guns, including semi-automatic and assault rifles, and a significant amount of ammunition?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Very good questions and I agree that most school shooters tend to be mentally ill. If regulations were skipped for this person to acquire these guns then the people responsible should be charged.

    If Christians were targeted due to hate, it shouldn't be dismissed.
     
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    #2913 AroundTheWorld, Mar 31, 2023
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    I sometimes wonder why people are dense.
     
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    Person shoots up Christian school. Motive impossible to know.

    Now apply this to Jewish or Muslim elementary school.

    I’m sure the motive would be impossible to know.
     
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    ABC News not a news publication? OK.

    First of all, he didn't even say "news organization" or "news story", he just asked about headlines.

    Then he moved the goalpost.

    And even then, he is wrong.

    You should probably check your facts first before calling other people dense.
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    Here's a short recap of the sources you provided:

    • Off Our Backs - an editorial on a self-described "radical feminist" bi-monthly periodical whose distribution was limited to the District of Columbia
    • Salon.com - an editorial on a left-leaning political tabloid
    • Politico.com - an editorial on a left-leaning political tabloid
    • ABC.com - this is the closest one to actually fitting the bill as this is a legitimate major news outlet/publication and the piece is not an editorial, however the headline is a literal quote from the subject of the article and upon reading it I don't think it qualifies as a similar circumstance.
    • The Minnesota Daily - an editorial from the college newspaper of the University of Minnesota

    You may have missed it but I called out the NY Post for their headline in the immediate aftermath of the shooting back dozens of pages ago. So this to me was a continuation of that.

    I would never apply such a standard to literally every publication ever. I don't hold major newspapers and networks to the same standard as bobscoolwebsite.com.

    If you can find an example of a major or mainstream news organization publishing a headline like that in the immediate aftermath of an attack I'd be interested to see it, because I cannot recall seeing one in my entire adult life. Also keep in mind that we're talking about news coverage here, not editorials (I assume you know the difference, but it appears you may not).

    Side note: I studied journalism in college and I remember covering this exact topic in a few classes and the standard was pretty consistent. You don't put demographic information about the subject of a story in a headline unless it is germane to the story, and especially not when such actions could imply motive, color people's opinions, etc.
     
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    lots of words, but you are still wrong
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    lol

    figures
     

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