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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Mar 30, 2023.

  1. solid

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    Congratulations, having a child is one of the GREAT experiences of life.
     
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  2. IdStrosfan

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    I have a strong suspicion Pressly is a closer.

    Closers should only be used in save situations. Period.

    Too much evidence that closers suck otherwise.
    Yes.

    This bullpen is very deep. If you want to talk ERA, Stanek set a team record for ERA by a RP last season.He was warming in the bullpen and should have pitched the 9th.

    #1) There are literally dozens and dozens of results to show that closers are not the same pitchers if it's not a save situation.

    #2) Dusty used up a bullet for this weekend. If games 2 and 3 come down to save situations, Pressly will only be available for 1 of them.
     
  3. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    I will say that I do not know who will be a better overall second baseman between Hensley and Dubon. I am pretty sure Henlsey will be the better batter and Dubon the better fielder.
     
  4. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    Pressly has been great since he's been in Houston. While he was in Houston prior to being the closer, he was the best relief pitcher in baseball that wasn't a closer.
     
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  5. SuraGotMadHops

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    I don't even care we lost, I just can't get Megan Thee Stallion's azz off my mind, GOTDAMN!! I mean I knew she always looked good but I didn't realize she was THAT sexy. Holy smokes

     
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  6. IdStrosfan

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    Not relevant

    This is not a physical issue. It's a mental issue.

    Pressly is a closer. Period.

    He is no longer that pitcher from days gone by.
     
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    I still can't get over where Hensley put that glove hand LOL

    In 2023 you're playing with fire, can't let the intrusive thoughts win.
     
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  8. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    So he had a mental issue when he b****ed slapped the opposing teams in the postseason last year for an ERA of 0 in non-save situations?
    I could be wrong, but it looks like he gave up 1 run in non-save situations last regular season, but the Astros still won that game and Pressly pitched solely because he needed the work in that game. He definitely has a mental issue that prevents him from pitching well in non-save situations based on 1 game this season despite him being an absolute destroyer of worlds in non save situations last regular season and postseason. Guess a World Series Ring doesn't count for much in your book.
     
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  9. STR8Thugg

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    I just always hate that move
     
  10. IdStrosfan

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    I'm not talking about Pressly specifically.

    I'm talking about a well known and extensive history of closers simply not pitching as well in non save situations.

    It should be a rule, or at least a best practice.

    Besides what if:

    Astros win today and Pressly gets the save.

    Astros up by 1 in 9th Saturday, but Pressly is unavailable.
     
  11. marks0223

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    This reply wins. Even the right day of the week.

     
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    Is there really a well known and extensive history to this? Genuinely asking
     
  13. IdStrosfan

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    Yes.
     
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    Been ride or die since Baggy, Biggio, Alou, and Dalgy were lighting up the scoreboards. Where is Morgan Ensberg these days….?
     
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  15. Joe Joe

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    Pressly is who was in for the Astros. He should pitch when it is high leverage in the 9th and the game will never have a save situation in extra innings.

    Closers sucking in other situations is anecdotel. Sure bobrek will make a big deal about Giles being great in save situations, but I would not use Giles as proof that closers are mentally tough in any situation. Closers are typically great in high leverage situtations regardless of whether it is a save situation or not. Granted, any time a closer gives up a run in a non save situation, announcers (not Blummer and Kalas) freak out like a batter went the other way against a shift for a base hit.

    Exception: There may be evidence (or may not) that closers give up more runs when up by 4 or more as closers aren't pitching with normal effort, but with enough effort to win the game.
     
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  16. IdStrosfan

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    Yes.

    6 had more saves than Pressly last year.

    2.41 ERA in save situations
    3.19 ERA in non save situations.

    Clase= 1.23 vs 1.57
    Jansen= 3.69 vs 2.55
    Hendriks= 2.21 vs 4.24
    Hader= 3.38 vs 10.66
    Romano= 2.53 vs 1.02
    Bard= 1.41 vs 2.45

    Earned runs per appearance:
    Clase 1 every 7.7 games vs 1 every 6.2
    Jansen= 1 every 2.5 vs 1 every 3.4
    Hendriks= 1 every 4.1 vs 1 every 2.1
    Hader= 1 every 2.9 vs 1 every 1.1
    Romano 1 every 3.5 vs 1 every 9.0
    Bard= 1 every 6 2 vs 1 every 3.0
     
  17. jjsmooth

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    Looks like a whole lot of non-significant statistical noise to me.
     
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    I understand. I just suspect we had the lead when he started his warmups.
     
  19. IdStrosfan

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    Overall these closers allowed 1 earned run every 3.8 appearances in save situations.

    Allowed 1 earned run every 2.9 appearances in non save situations.

    That makes them approximately 25% more likely to give up a run in non save situations.
     
  20. Tomstro

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    ahhh. You’re a youngster.

    and I’m so old I must not remember “Dalgy”
     

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