Stopped by to see if someone was advocating for Lamar to the Texans and see he’s being lit up for being an anti vaxxer? WTF? Didn’t know there were still pro vaxxers after it’s been proven to cause myocarditis. BTW, I have some ocean properties in Arizona I’m looking to sell! Back to the news and FA thread. My .02. I’ll just leave this gem here. Carry on.
They end up street racing hot rods. Have you seen the movie. Ever heard of John Milner? Yes, my Uncle used to have a bad azz 1966 Chevy 2 that he raced. I've street raced, I'm blessed to be alive and older/wiser.
I think it means that Jackson will have to come down on his demands if he wants to play QB in the NFL again (via owner collusion).
People really gotta give up the ghost on this owner collusion nonsense. Show me the receipts, otherwise homie ain't worth what he's asking.
The receipt is with the Deshaun Watson contract. Owners are doing whatever they can to reset the market whether fans want to admit it or not. Saying "he's not worth it" is just an easy out when the precedent has already been established. I'd say Jackson deserved the Watson contract more than Watson did.
No, the receipt is coordination/communication between the parties to fix the prices/market. If I ask out 32 supermodels on a date and get shot down 100% of the time it's not "collusion". It is entirely within reason that the market for Jackson is unwilling to meet his extremely high demands.
Sure it is within reason in a vaccum -- as it was with the Watson contract thats kinda the point. If a sexual predator with a blip of the player accolades was worthy of his contract then surely a league MVP with more pelts is too.
Not to make excuses for that scumbag but Deshaun's blip of player accolades came on a team with 1/5th of the roster talent that Baltimore boasted, and 1/10000000th of the coaching talent. Every person with some football knowledge would tell you that, ON THE FIELD, Deshaun exhibits everything you want in a franchise-level QB. Lamar has ALWAYS had shortcomings in the passing game with his inability to read defenses when he's forced to pass from the pocket, and that entire Ravens team is built around hiding those shortcomings. Come on, man. What DonnyMost is saying is right on point. There is no evidence of widespread collusion because ultimately, if a player in the most important position on the field is worth a contract based on his level of play, he will get it. You will never get 32 owners to agree to stonewalling a franchise-level QB.
Watson is a better passer? Of course he is. Lamar Jackson changes the entire defensive gameplan with his wheels just the same that Allen and Hurts do and it just so happens to be the play style that is carrying teams far in the playoffs. I dont disagree with the coaching and surrounding talent opinion, but that goes back to each teams ability to identify and develop talent where BAL has demonstrated time and time again that they are better at it than most of the league. Simply stated if Watson deserves his contract then so does Jackson whatever that may be -- Owners are not too happy with the upwards trend of guranteed money for what is perceived a marginal QB, but that is the nature of the beast. Lamar will get the Kapernick treatment if he doesnt fall in line like a good boy and it has nothing to do with the on field product just what rich owners deem appropriate. Greed is a MFer depending on the perspective.
Just because one team was willing to do that does not automatically mean all teams are bound by those expectations. The Wolves gave up 5 first round picks for Rudy Gobert. The Browns aren't in the Lamar Jackson market, the other 31 teams are perfectly within their rights to think that was stupid and not repeat it. FWIW No way in hell I'm giving any player that much guaranteed money in a hard capped league, particularly one so dependent on his athleticism.
It doesn't make sense for a team like the Texans, who need help at every position, to pursue a high-dollar quarterback like Lamar. The blueprint for winning a Super Bowl is clear: draft a young quarterback and build around them before the expensive extension comes due. The Chiefs did it with Mahomes, the Bengals and Bills are doing it with Burrow and Allen.
Precedent has been set. For what its worth I agree somewhat - Im hesitant to give a guy all that guaranteed money based solely on his injury history not so much any financial impact on the NFL and its billionaire owners. When healthy Jackson moves the needle whether fan perspective agrees with that or not. Jackson dropped the ball in not having representation - if it was me I'd have hired Mulugheta just for the fireworks! Let me ask you this - would you hand Josh Allen a 250M guaranteed contract extension? Is the 150M gurantee he got the max that QBs should be allowed?
It’s a hard cap league so every team has to figure out how much guaranteed money they are willing to spend. It’s not so much about greed as how to make a long term investment. Some like bonds, some like stock. Most every front office in the league thought the Cleveland contract was awful. It’s not collusion to say hell no to that for a QB not even in the top 5 or even the best QB if it screws up your ability to field the best team.
I don't keep too close of an interest in the NFL these days to say confidently who is worth what, but I would be more willing to give a pass first QB big money than a runner like Jackson. I merely disagree with your, and Jackson's, stance that a player "has" to get this because somebody else did.
Yep. And then ride that QB to perpetual 10 win seasons and early playoff exits until they retire or go somewhere else on a lean contract to chase a ring. Amen.
Thats fair. I think "what a player is worth" is arbitrary in nature and is always set by precedent. Thanks to the Deshaun Watson contract players who view themselves similarly among him as a contemporary will want what he received. As a fan I could care less who sets the standard(s) but people shouldnt feel one way or the other in terms of gatekeeping a league that made over 2 BILLION in revenue last year and is enjoying year to year growth in excess of 10% for several years running. It boils down to greed one way or the other and I just so happen to feel that the players deserve it more than the owners.
If thats the case then no team would care about what Cleveland did, except that it seems EVERY team cared about what they did! Now the owners (among themselves) will try to find a way to get a handle on it so that THEY can reap the rewards of the most profitable sports league on Earth. Sounds like the salary cap needs to increase commensurate to player salaries.
