He isn't clearly better. He's a role player on offense dude. What do you think he'd do in Houston? Seriously ask yourself that. Look at his unassisted rate for fgs made. Its lower than Clint Capella and he is seen as a lob threat type player and not some franchise player you build an offense around. Imagine getting 3/4ths of his offense from KPJ and Nix rather than Garland and Mitchell. Mobley isn't having this done to him above.
That draft was going to be deep but not extra juicy. He might be the best scorer but I am not excited.
Mobley is a pretty good roaming defender but that's not a defensive anchor and it's not an elite scorer/playmaker which are the two most important things on the two sides of the court. On offense Mobley is a non-shooter in a shooting era and his iso/post numbers are terrible. If we're projecting that Mobley is going to get a tier better defensively and dramatically improve his 3pt shot, just project exactly the same thing onto Green as well and there's no way Mobley would be worth more on the open market. Green would be a 30ppg scorer with elite numbers from 3pt range and average defense, that's a $40m player. Mobley had College/winning and Green had Ignite/tanking, Green has more room to grow for sure. Surround Green with Allen, Garland, Rubio and Love and see what happens to his defensive and offensive performance. In a one-off game with both players given equivalent teammates, give me Green to win the game any day of the week. Green to take the clutch shot. Green to get you 2-3 points against any defender of any size or position.
No, right now Evan Mobley is clearly a better player than Jalen Green. Green has unrealized potential, and may end up being better but right now Mobley contributes more to winning than Jalen Green does.
Aren't those two different things? Role players can contribute more to winning than stars - depending on their teammates. Green is clearly a work in progress, but if you need a bucket, he is the clear choice over Mobley. Mobley compliments his teammates almost perfectly (minus the outside shot) - so he fits well being the 4th or 5th option. And yes, he helps his team win. That doesn't mean he is the better or more valuable player - Draymond Greene was more valuable to winning than a whole lot of stars (say Zach Lavine) in the GSW championship years. But that's because he fits the puzzle over there. On the open market, he still wouldn't get as much money as these other stars. In a way it would be a lot easier to compare Mobley to Smith Jr. Both will probably end up as high profile role players. Mobley is better defensively and has more moves close to the basket, Smith has a way better shot and has shown more signs, that he can create his own shot. Right now (and last season also) Mobley is clearly better than Smith. But if Smith can find his shot again and continue the improvements in the other areas of his game, I could see him leapfrogging Mobley.
Mobley is backed by 4 all-star players that shoulder the load. They feed him his little baby assisted hook shots. Green's cast is Nix, KPJ, and Coach Tank
Even if you took a clutchfans poll, Mobley would come out higher than Green (and note, it doesn't mean you "hate" Jalen Green if you said this) C'mon man. Also i don't know what this has to do with Jabari Smith jr, whose butt is not as weird as Mobleys
Well, it's easy to say that. Green just scratched what he can become, the scoring will be there. Mobley hasn't gone off offensively at all. It's very early for Mobley. If Mobley never becomes a force offensively, then he will still be a 25 million a year player. 15-17 ppg will be enough.
Two completely different players in completely different environments with completely different teammates and coaching - really hard to compare finding a mobley type player is much easier in FA and the draft, though. We made the right pick not having a typeA scorer regardless of jalens learning curve.
I disagree. The Rockets need scoring and defense to win. Jalen does one of those well and the other not so well. Mobley does one of those well and the other not so well. The difference between the two players is the situations they've been put in. Mobley is on a team in which he is primarily being asked to be a defensive stopper (not even the anchor because that is more Allen's role) and convert at or near the rim. Not much self creation when it comes to his offense (has been covered). Green is on a team in which he is primarily being asked to score, create for himself, for other team mates, and play defense against some of the better players in the game (more dangerous wings in the league than bigs). All while being in an offensive system that does not generate easy shots and a defensive system that makes me scratch my head when I consider our personnel. You put Mobley on this team with the same list of asks that Jalen has and tell me he would be the better player....
I do think Mobley will benefit more down the line by being around an organization that wants to win rather now than much later. The winning habits are what's important. That goes for Jabari as well, he is stuck. The Rockets are just far far from being far away.
Mobley just isn't the kind of player you can build around. He's a nice player, but I see him as more along the lines of Jabari. Love Jabari, but you don't start your rebuild with an excellent complementary player, third star on a championship contender type of guy, you take the biggest upside swing you can get. Looks like there's a good chance that'll pay off too, Green is in special company in terms of what he's been able to do at a very young age.
I have not seen anyone who is a clear superstar from that class.. Cade is meh, Barnes no, Wagner is nice. There are some All Stars amongst them but superstars? Mobley could learn from Chris Bosh who was a fringe superstar.
Good comparison, It's who I see when I look at Mobley's frame and movement, but believe (could be wrong) Bosh was more polished offensively coming into the league. Not saying Mobley can't get there but Bosh was the guy in Toronto, Mobley would need to take a stellar leap offensively to reach him.
Dude shut your ass up, no way in hell is Evan Mobley better than Jalen Green. Jalen green has to do a lot more for his team than that role player Evan Mobley. Evan Mobley if he switched teams with the Rockets his sorry ass will struggle because he will be the focal point trying to run the offense and create and play defense all at the same time while with the Cavs he has 4 all stars playing a long side him. Jalen green has scrubs and rookies playing a long side him while commanding 2-3 guys to guard him. Evan Mobley don’t command that attention. So don’t come around saying that scrub ass Mobley is better than Jalen Green! Sit your ass down man!!!
Mobley is a role player for Allen, Mitchell and Garland. Green is the Donovan Mitchell of his team. If Green is a B- in his role it's better than Mobley being an A+ in his role. How many points is a roaming defender saving the Cavs? Is he going to save them 12-15 points a game lol cause that's the difference in scoring between him and Jalen. More importantly, there's nothing Mobley does that makes me wish we had him over Jabari. In fact, all else equal I would rather have Jabari's 3pt shot than Mobley's baby hook at PF.
Talk about homerism huh? Refusing to accept what Mobley does well just makes it hard to believe the rest of what you guys are writing. How am I supposed to believe in all the amazing things our guys will be able to do in the future if your eyes can not recognize what other good players are doing right now?
I disagree that there are "some others" that are "clearly" better than Green. Who? He's averaging way more points than Barnes and Giddey on better efficiency, and while Wagner is having a good year, he's clearly doing well because he's a perfect #2 option. None of these guys demand anywhere near the defensive attention of Green. Now, with respect to Mobley v. Green, the argument is a little moot since Mobley refused to visit, but I don't really care if a player taken later "arguably" ends up better if the player selected is really good. There are simply too many variables. Mobley could have suffered a career-ending injury the moment he stepped onto the Rockets' court. To those who doubt Green, I've always posed a simple question -- look at the list of players who averaged 21+ points in their second year and tell me how you could doubt Green's potential. The list is filled with all-time greats and no duds. If your absolute worst case scenario is Jerry Stackhouse, then you're doing pretty darn well.
Precisely, Mobley might become better defensively. The Heat totally stymied Bosh on Offense. I could see Mobley being on a bad team years from now too after the Cavs potentially blow it up, something unexpected happens, Mitchell going somewhere else etc. etc.
