Is this based on your eye test or stats when speaking about progress of JG4 and evaluation of Wemby? Are you sure you want the Rockets to fall for the hype? How do you know Wemby is a legit star caliber player? Are you basing it on his quasi G League stats? Just asking because you seem to not to put much stock in the 'eye test/hype' categories
As always, it's both. I criticize those who ONLY go with the eye test who dismiss the metrics that can tell them if they are really seeing what they think they are. It's a way to see beyond bias....which is why some refuse to use them. It tells them things they don't want to hear.
Of course you go with both, but that doesn't mean its a EQUAL split, clearly ONE can mean more than the other You should also criticize those who ONLY go off metrics/stats and dismiss the eye test, don't let your bias get the best of you Also those who don't watch (eye test) the games and only use boxscore /stats can also get misled and won't be able to 'see' what was really going on
One is objective, it helps you ensure that you are really seeing what you think you are seeing. While I advocate for using both, a person who ONLY uses metrics will be right a LOT more often than someone who only uses eye test. When I talk about Green's season overall, it's based on things that I have seen when I watch the games that are confirmed by metrics. This season he's had flashes of brilliance on offense, but overall for the season he's been something of a chucker and he still doesn't play any defense. So you can have people base their opinion on his good games and they'll talk about how much improvement he's made, but when you look overall, you really don't see it. IMO he's largely the same player he's always been. A streaky shooting chucker. When he's hot, it's going to look great, when he's not...well the numbers will still be high because they are going to keep letting him chuck shots till he scores. He's still not overall a net positive player, but if he ever becomes a good shooter rather than a streaky shooter the day may come where he is.
this dude will be filthy next to an actual PG playing in an actual system with cleaner shot selection
Jalen should have had more shots today. He should be getting at least 25 shots if his shot is on. If he's off then less shots is okay
last year the Rockets had a 105.7 offensive rating with Green on the court, and 108.8 with him off this year we have a 110.8 offensive rating with him on, and a 105.7 with him off
Nice stat, totally matches the eye test too. Last year it felt like he was gonna chuck up a bunch of terrible shots every time he came into the game. This year it feels like we can’t score for **** any time he’s on the bench.
I get that you are still down on your knees because your guy had a good night, but nothing I said was in any way inaccurate even if it makes you sad. Enjoy your night, there's no reason to throw a tantrum.
His efficiency is actually worse this season, so he's still chucking up a lot of terrible shots basically every time he comes into the game, but our bench unit really is incompetent.
Both are selective and whoever chooses to use either one more than the other is free to do so, and stats don't tell who is getting double or triple teamed or who missed assignments in key moments of every qtr etc, it is your opinion stats used are more accurate When you watch Jalen closely then you know what is really going on, its like me saying based on last handful or so games he has shot well from the free throw line and looked like he had made 20 straight free throws based on eye test, which if you post the stat for that it will back up that eye test measure Just like I don't need stats to realize he shot pretty well this game against Cavs Seems like since all star break he at least challenges more shots when being driven on, which is way better effort than in past when he offered basically no resistance And putting up 5 points more per game avg is significant improvement unless he is chucking 22 shots per game to get there, which my eye test says no, but overall he is what I expected, inconsistent that has shown high level flash, which is why I give most players a 3/4 yr window to show what they are going to be outside of the surefire HOFers who do it day one rookie yr But of course Green has to improve on defense, way more so than offense, even though he wasn't touted as some defensive wizard coming in like a Barnes/Mobley I didn't know the SG wasn't allowed to so called 'chuck', and it seems he plays more team ball than actually having a get out the way and let me chuck mentality And when any player is hot it looks good, been like that since the league started in the early 1940-50s His shot is good enough, he just needs to work on shooting consistently with proper balance and stop fading when its not necessary, similar to KPJ who tries to make 3/4th of his attempts way harder than they have to be The team is overall bottom feeder so being a net positive on a 20 win (or less) is just reaching for straws and means nothing in the macro aspect
I disagree with most of it, but ok. I'll just mention the objective part first: it's factually not true that a team can't win with a very bad defender on the court, even if Jalen was going to be bad next season. The Sacramento Kings are the 25th worst defense and Huerter/Sabonis/Fox are garbage defenders at their positions. There are several examples each season and infinite examples in NBA history. So you need not worry that Jalen Green's defense is the only thing standing in the way of us having a winning season. So to me, it seems like you're singling out Green over successful players across the league and his teammates. We are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and if you wanted to make the biggest change climbing the defensive rankings, you would be looking at key defensive elements such as defensive anchor at C and whoever is guarding opponent's best wing player. I can't for the life of me understand how you're perceiving Jalen's role in this to be so huge that it would be the defining factor. I guarantee that if we don't have a defensive anchor, Jalen Green can turn into Jrue Holiday overnight and we would still not be better than 25th defense. Finally, if Jalen Green is averaging a reasonably efficient 26ppg next season, and you want to start a defender that's averaging like 14ppg. Is that defender at SG saving us 12 points on defense? If a SG saved you 12 points in a single game it would be the best game of his life, nevermind AVERAGING that kind of defense. My personal prediction is that all this won't matter because like Eric Gordon, he will just start playing defense when the team starts wanting to win again. Was never an effort issue with Jalen last season and even the beginning of this season. I think the fact that help, switch and interior defense is constantly failing plus his shots were inconsistent all season > these two things demotivated him, which is what a 20 year old would think and then they learn it's wrong. Anyway, the stats and my eyes say he's been better since the ASB so that's good.
can we talk about how he has played more games this year than last? i remember being concerned about his landings and injury potential on the draft report. availability is an ability. one worth monitoring and considering when evaluating progression.
