For some on the left...intolerance has become the rule

Thank you for making my point and applaud you for standing by your principle that a business can discriminate over political beliefs.

 

So if none of us have the facts then why take the restaurant’s side?

As a matter of discussion I do actually have political discussions in public. I had one last night with some very controversial topics discussed such as transgender, quiet quitting and Communism. The staff were certainly well aware of the discussion as I chatted with a bartender about it after. They didn’t kick me or other members of my party out even though we didn’t agree in all positions.

 

Same reason you're taking the Fox News Host's side

I doubt you were being disruptive in that scenario.

 

a common trait is zero respect for freedom of association/speech/protest

disrupting, shouting down, silencing, menacing those they disagree with

happens in the streets and in college campuses all over the country

 

I see this on both sides of the political spectrum.

I hear some conservatives not wanting to serve LBBTQ+ people or don’t want their very existence to be acknowledged. We have conservatives trying to ban books and control public education.

I hear liberals feeling free to dump in anyone for being white or religious or having different personal opinions.

Everyone is for free speech and is understanding until it’s something they don’t like to hear and then it is a different story.

 

There are literally protesters outside abortion clinics throwing trash, calling women baby killers and whores when they go in… and I’m supposed to care that a right to life parade has protests? This is the myopia I am talking about.

 

Yes see what happens - @rocketsjudoka and I have a respectful debate without name calling. Imagine that. You might want to give that a try sometime.

 

@LosPollosHermanos is frying up chickens that stand his way

 

those people are definitely crazies as well

 

Man this statement makes me cringe. Yes white people feel the same resentment as ostracization that gay people do.

Look, I'm assuming sometimes nice posters come in and say the "both sides" thing to calm the waters and give an in to conserve posters to feel welcomed or something. But in reality it just reinforces their right wing talking points.

 

Did u miss the part where the restaurant owner said they were talking about women in degrading ways and going on about how abortion is eugenics, and that is was making customers in the restaurant uncomfortable as well?

Were u in the restaurant using degrading arguments for trans people?

I don’t see how quiet quitting is a controversial topic either…not like that’s something that’s a polarized subject in this country like abortion

Doubt u were in the restaurant loudly making pro-Communism arguments either.

 

One thing they both sides agree upon is that he was talking about his political beliefs and that the staff didn’t agree with those beliefs and told him he wouldn’t be served anymore becaue of those beliefs. That at the minimum appears to be the basis of it. How loud he was or disruptive otherwise is wha this in doubt. Accepting the bare minimum this does appear to be a case that the business will discriminate based on political beliefs.

As you note you weren’t there. To assess how loud my party was. Just accepting though that this is an issue of political beliefs and not volume. Then it was a matter of that the business didn’t feel that they should discriminate based on political beliefs.

 

It think some Posters might disagree I’m a liberal.

 

I did not miss the part about what he was discussing. And yes someone in my party was making pro communist arguments while I praised Ayn Rand, someone that many find offensive.

Whether you agree or don’t agree with the content of what was being discussed is the issue of should a private business discriminate who it serves based upon their political beliefs.

If this situation was really someone praising Karl Marx and saying that all firearms should be banned, billionaires should have all their wealth confiscated would it be fair then for a private business owner that didn’t agree with those to say those customers would no longer be served or welcome?

 

This the basis point I’m getting too. Many are arguing that merely voicing views in public that don’t align with the business owners justify denying service to them in the future. My question in my last post is then does it go the other way?

Would those supporting the business owner in this case support a Conservative business owner doing the same thing to a Liberal patron?

I will also reiterate to argue this as a case of intolerance and meanness by the Left that it is the right that has argued that business owners should be able to discriminate against customers for ideological reasons.

 

Pro-communist arguments like what? China is the greatest and Jinping is their hero? How many people know who Ayn Rand is?

So we’re calling talking about women in degrading ways like the restaurant owner claims as just political beliefs? That is not the same as talking about quiet quitting, gun control, billionaire wealth, etc.

He went to a female owned restaurant loudly denigrating women and going on about how abortion is eugenics for an hour. Not only was he pissing off the owner, he was allegedly pissing off her paying customers as well and making them uncomfortable. Then after he had long been done with his meal, she told him she didn’t like what he was saying and to leave.

What’s next? Go to a black owned business and start loudly spewing anti-black political talking points, then start playing victim and promoting your book after you’re told to get the hell out? Going to a Mexican restaurant and loudly going on about illegals and Hispanics taking jobs, then do a victim tour and promote your podcast after being told to leave?

 

I think as a society we've skipped the actual discussion of ideas to this type of banter.

And I think the Right wing wants it that way. They'd rather argue about the tactics, the mechanisms political ideologies express their views or interact with the public rather than having a core discussion on ideas.