"you must pump this kid full of permanently altering chemicals, or surgically modify their sex organs, or they will kill themselves!". no one is buying that false dichotomy You ban it for kids because kids do not have full autonomy, and as a society we protect kids from harm by other adults. As for adults, administering such treatments is arguably a violation of the hippocratic oath, but banning it is not necessary.
again do you know puberty blockers are applied to kids for many other reasons besides transgenderism? If a treatment method is deemed as very dangerous to the point it should be banned for a specific diagnosis then it should be banned for all cases.
I don't think you really have a say on this. Again, this sentiment of yours stems from a root of religious dogma. The notion of humans being purely evil or purely good means complete lack of intellectual curiosity of things like intent and motive of people you disagree with. This allows you to form narratives that these care givers and medical professionals have a nefarious agenda rather than sincerely following the science they've read and studied and drawing their own conclusions that these treatments are for the best of the children they are treating. You simply can't open the possiblity that you simply disagree with what is best for children. Rather you believe these people are evil and want to harm children and make a transgender army or whatever. The thought of "maybe these people sincerely think this is the best thing they can do to improve the lives of these kids based of the science and experiences they've learned and experienced". Until you open your mind to that possiblity there is no sincere discussion here. If people who disagree with these procedures can just meet halfway and acknowledge this isn't a nefarious plot but rather a disagreement of what's best for these children, a more productive conversation can occur until then it's still poo flinging time.
The playbook: Start with a viewpoint that most people, who aren't engaged with this topic day-in and day-out online, might agree with; cite the lack of long-term data on how this affects children as they become adults; sing paeans to rationality and moderation; note how European countries are putting the brakes on medical treatment for transgender youth. Up the rhetoric and begin disingenuously referring to anyone who isn't dead set against all LGBT rights as a "groomer" and dust off the old "gays are pedophiles!" insinuation; conflate drag queens with transgender women (revealing a total ignorance of what drag even is or deliberately misconstruing the two); begin to say your concerns go beyond exposing children to transgender material and are, instead, focused on anything to related to homosexuality and/or transgenderism; make friends with those who are against these things on religious grounds and dip your toe in theocratic rhetoric. Tease a justification for denying medical treatment to adults; say a ban isn't necessary, but leave the doubt you sowed hanging out there; betray so-called "libertarian" principles because they shouldn't apply to people society doesn't like; embrace the CPAC line of "transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely."
When it comes to mental and physical health of children and what constitutes “harm” to their health, I trust families and licensed doctors to make that decision rather than government officials.
They don't do these surgeries on children. There's no need to outlaw them. It's like passing a law to outlaw people from driving their car into the sun.
"Government officials who's views on this matter are shaped through how they were raised, their religious values and engagement from their voting base and not through an intellectual curiosity on the actual medical science." Just added.
Stuff like this makes me think people like you are bisexual and are suppressing it. Yes white people want to change their entire identity to the point of limiting off who that can have sex with and ehoy they can from relationships with so they can be called "oppressed". Either only a psychopath believes this or a bisexual.
It's evil and harmful, regardless of motive. I have no time for caring about adult freaks and what they choose to do. Children are another matter. I don't see any meaningful effort to legally restrict this activity for adults. To the extent people want to deter the behavior, public shaming is more effective than prohibition.
Do you include homosexuals in this group of "freaks" or is that just how you perceive transgender people? What if the public shaming fails?
Critical Theory comes out of literary analysis so I don’t think it is true that that has anything to do with parents wanting to change the gender of their kids. Just because I’ve read a ton of Winckelmann or Eagelton doesn’t mean I wanted my kids to switch genders.
The people who call trans people "freaks" should not be involved in determining what is appropriate health care for young people who are struggling with their gender identity. And government officials and bureaucrats who appeal to the bigotry of such people to keep their jobs need to stay the hell out of the medical business of such people as well. I don't trust their opinion on this matter one bit.
I think Commodore is a freak for spending years and years on this message board posting propaganda often times that's untruthful. You gotta be mentally ill to habitually share disinformation to strangers online to the degree that he does for years everyday. It's up there with basso during the GWB Iraq War days. Two mentally ill boomers proud to share their **** on full display. I really hope you both get paid for what you do because if not, jeez.
No there are people that are advocating for those under 18 to be able to have trans-surgery. There are even organizations that are fighting for it - The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) is one that I am aware of. In fact, I know Mt. Sinai has done trans-surgeries on minors. In most cases surgical intervention isn't done until over 18 and in most cases puberty blockers are not started at a really young age, but that is not always the case. The reality is that this is very much the wild west when it comes to transgendered legal issues, including surgically speaking.
