Cmon bro lol you dont need to see a pic of him in a sleeveless shirt to know he's petite! The height issue does come up at times though and you can see it when he gets up on his toes to make passes. I havent been as hung up on height personally - my contention from the beginning is that he's built to break. You guys keep alluding to the only two examples in the history of the sport at the pro level to be successful playing at relative measurables and because two other guys have done it then its a certainty that Young will too? What within the draft bio and film package gives you that kind of impression? I dont have the same type of faith that he will be this outlier and for anybody thats ever played this sport "muscles" most certainly do help you - not so much in your specific responsibility on each play; but with the typical violence that occurs throughout the game.
Durability, though not the only requirement, is a big one. Though powder puff QB rules make it easier to to last. It's not like you're in the trenches.
This thread is basically on rinse and repeat. you can miss an entire month and still be up to date on the arguments back and forth
Guess it’s normal for small, weak QBs to make through starting multiple years in the SEC and only miss a single game. Again, some of you act like he is jumping from low classification high school to the NFL. By the way, he is smarter and a better passer than the 2 examples noted.
Just to clarify, you use Goff as a comparison for Stroud due to ability. But then you use Murray for Young because…. Size? Young is light years better than Murray in every facet except running and tipping the scale. They aren’t comparisons at all. As people have said, if young was 4 inches taller, and 20 lbs heavier, he would be talked about like Lawrence/Burrow/Mahomes/ etc… yes the size is a risk, but using Murray as a comparison is just lazy and disingenuous.
Water weight can easily explain 10 pounds in 2 weeks on a 300 pound man. Heck, that is regularly done in a day if you weigh before and after a game played in high humidity.
Holy goalposts!! We are trying so hard to discount young, that we have to **** on Russ Wilson because they are close to same size? You had to add in the “as a qb making max money” because he literally led the team to 2 super bowls winning one… good lord you guys are ridiculous.. “Any qb that can diagnose coverages without being forced to buy time” DUDE THAT IS WHAT YOUNG IS SO GOOD AT. I can’t.
[…] But without a quantifiable measurement, the current methods result in the typical eye-of-the-beholder variance. Take Kentucky’s Will Levis, a potential top-10 pick in next month’s draft. Solak characterizes Levis as “a tough son of a gun.” “He’ll sit in there and take it and make good throws in (a dirty pocket),” said Solak, who pointed to the regression of the Wildcats’ offensive line in 2022 as a benefit to evaluating Levis. “Pockets got a lot more NFL-ish for him in 2022, and he did a nice job with it.” Zierlein disagrees, calling Levis “not very poised in the pocket.” “He takes sacks he shouldn’t take,” Zierlein said. “I think that’s a concern.” According to Zierlein, Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud threw from so few dirty pockets in college that it’s a guessing game whether he’ll be able to handle them in the NFL. Alabama’s Bryce Young faced more, but not many more, and Zierlein said he liked what he saw from those reps. Zierlein pointed to Tennessee quarterback Hendon Hooker as a potential sleeper prospect because of his ability to handle chaos around him, saying Hooker has “the calmest feet in the whole draft.” That trait alone could make Hooker a lot of money in a league where 70 percent of throws will be affected by the too-cozy confines of a shrinking pocket — and where assessing a player’s ability to navigate that space largely remains the product of guesswork. “It’s part of the process and it’s part of the evaluation,” Yates said. “You’re going to have to make a determination about whether or not a certain guy has it. If there’s not enough film in college of it, you’re going to find out one way or another.”
https://theathletic.com/4313291/2023/03/15/georgia-jalen-carter-nfl-draft-pro-day/ Georgia held its Pro Day on Wednesday for top draft-eligible prospects. It’s one in an important series of events for players who have an effective four-month interview to show the best versions of themselves. But the best version of Jalen Carter was not on display. NFL personnel officials, coaches and media members in attendance saw an overweight Carter huffing and puffing through the few drills that were set up for defensive linemen in Georgia’s indoor practice facility. He did not participate in any other skills tests, nor the 40-yard dash. He also, not surprisingly, chose not to speak to the media, as other participating Bulldogs players did. Carter weighed 323 pounds, according to a league source who was granted anonymity so that he could speak freely. That’s 13 pounds heavier than he was listed at during Georgia’s season. It’s also nine pounds heavier than the 314 he weighed at the scouting combine two weeks ago. It was clearly not nine pounds of added muscle. He looked flabby. He looked overly winded after drills. He looked like a risk for any team that might decide to hand him a $20 million-plus signing bonus. Some NFL officials believe Carter’s ideal playing weight is under 310 pounds to best take advantage of his pass-rush skills and athleticism. Enormously talented players can’t reach their athletic projections if they let their bodies become temples of doom. That Wednesday followed Carter’s decision to not work out at the combine makes it even worse, though he did interview with individual teams there. “Anybody who takes him is going to have to know what they’re getting into,” said the league source. “Everybody is going to have to do their due diligence and then make a decision.” At his peak self, Carter is a dominant player who had a viral moment in the SEC Championship Game when he lifted LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels with one arm while throwing up the No. 1 sign with his other hand. He was first-team All-American, all-SEC and All-Everything Every NFL Team Needs and Wants. But there are significant questions now. We can’t possibly know where this is going. Putting aside the two misdemeanors that Carter has been charged with — racing and reckless driving, stemming from the accident that killed Georgia teammate Devin Willock and recruiting aide Chandler LeCroy — the main questions about Carter that have been out there among pro scouts since during the season related to his consistency and work ethic. The counter to that, as Georgia coach Kirby Smart reaffirmed Wednesday, was that the defensive tackle battled injuries during the season and, in fact, should be praised for being the opposite of lazy. “I’m getting a lot of questions about Jalen, which probably was inevitable, anyway,” Smart said. “I got a lot of questions about (No. 1 pick) Travon Walker when he came out. But with the (accident) situation, there’s probably more questions and more direct, and I’m just trying to be honest and talk about the experiences we had here. Jalen did not have to come back to play after his first injury, nor after his second injury, and both times he wanted to overcome that injury and he begged us to put him in games he was hurt. So the competitive character he has shown has been really good.” Here’s the problem, and it’s also applicable to Stetson Bennett’s misdemeanor public intoxication arrest in Dallas in late January. NFL teams are keeping score now — not just how you look but how you act. It’s difficult enough to decide who to spend a draft pick on and who to give money to. But when a guy does stupid things in public — and it’s a player like Carter who can impact the course of any game — it gives a team pause. And Wednesday was not a good look. There already were lingering questions about where Carter might be at psychologically after the accident, and how he had handled himself in the suddenly negative spotlight. Even Smart acknowledged, “I can only imagine knowing what he’s dealing with internally, as a survivor from a tragic accident, knowing the outcome of that accident. There’s some mental health things there that you have to be able to help with. I can’t speak to what he’s going through. He’s got to answer those questions. But we’re certainly going to try to support him as much as we can.” Stetson Bennett, who has his own set of questions to overcome, defended Carter. He called him “special” and “a rock.” “We know what comes with the territory of where we are now, and things that are going to be out, and situations we put ourselves in, and how to be responsible,” Bennett said. “Being a grown man’s our job. So I think he understands it. … Knows he’s the best one on the field but still does things the right way. He’s in the right gaps so the backers can fit. Doesn’t mind defending the run. Obviously can get after the quarterback. He’s sudden, he’s strong in his suddenness. Just the right footwork. If you look at him, he’s always in a power position. That’s why he blows people off the line.” All accurate — when Carter is at his best. But that wasn’t the Carter we saw Wednesday. He has a month before the draft to get into shape and ease concerns. He has a month to realize he’s in the midst of a job interview and he just walked in with a T-shirt, flip-flops, and looking like he had just rolled out of bed.
Hooker would be my third QB off the board behind Stroud and Young. Seems like he has a quicker twitch than both Levis and AR on the move. Great arm, good execution this year. If Texans end up taking Will Anderson at 2, I would not be surprised if he ended up being the guy at 12 that they like. Obviously we know about the reported visit.
The problem I have is that Hooker has many more years of experience and yet in Tennessee’s offense he only had to do half field reads, often with only 2 options. With such a simplistic and gimmicky offense, the mental games is drastically reduced and that combined with his age and experience likely has more to do with his calmness in the pocket more than anything.
The problem I have is that Hooker has many more years of experience and yet in Tennessee’s offense he only had to do half field reads, often with only 2 options. With such a simplistic and gimmicky offense, the mental game is drastically reduced and that combined with his age and experience likely has more to do with his calmness in the pocket more than anything.
It looks like he did come in out of shape since he couldn’t finish his drills. That does put a question mark on him for me, looks like were set at DT anyway with the Rankin signing. Maybe we can nab a good DE at that pick. Still not sold on QB at 1.2, but looks like the Texans are. Would rather have Anderson and gamble that Levis or Richardson could fall within striking range of a trade up.
