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[Official] Spring Training Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Feb 19, 2023.

  1. right1

    right1 Member

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    it's 20 seconds with runners on base. The average might be 12 with nobody on, but with runners on and pick off attempts still legal, the average certainly won't be 12.
     
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  3. Yordan The Great

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    My guess is about 13 seconds overall, factoring in the longer time with someone on base.
     
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  4. right1

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    I don't think there is any chance Dirden beats out McCormick, but Meyers? Certainly, there has to be a chance. Especially, like you said, for the platoon with Chas. What are the chances if he continues to impress much more than Jake this Spring? Or is there really no chance?
     
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  5. jjsmooth

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    Seeing as Dirden isn't on the 40 man, he has about 0% chance to make the team except maybe as an injury replacement.
     
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    If both Brantley and Alvarez start the year on the IL, I think Dirden could make the OD roster. He's not the type of prospect they likely have to care about service time or options that much. I could see them giving him a shot like they did Ronel Blanco last year.
     
  7. Snake Diggit

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    I don’t see much chance Dirden makes the roster as a 4th OF. Meyers is an elite defender and he’s looked pretty good with the bat himself.

    Now if Brantley and Alvarez are hurt and they don’t think Diaz is ready then I could totally see Dirden being added to the roster and being the opening day LF. Madris and Bannon haven’t shown much and they were waiver claims so I could see either of them being DFA in favor of Dirden who will need rule 5 protection after this season anyway.
     
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  8. BlindHog

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    Dirden has always been a corner outfield prospect. Ideally right field. He could play a passable CF for a few teams but not for one that is contending for a championship.
     
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  9. Yordan The Great

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    That's my projection right now that Dirden beats out Meyers.

    The "no chance" crowd is rather ridiculous.
     
  10. IdStrosfan

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    I agree that "no chance" is ridiculous.

    Chances of Meyers on opening day 26 man, and Dirden in Sugar Land 85%

    Chances of both Meyers and Dirden on opening day 26 - 14%

    Chances of Dirden on opening day 26 and Meyers in Sugar Land - 1%

    With Dirden not on the 40 man, I just think the Chances he makes the opening roster are very slight.

    Meyers has has a solid spring and even threw Altuve out on the bases yesterday. I don't see much chance Dirden passes him. He just doesn't have the defensive chops Jake does.

    If either Yordan or Brantley start the season on the IL then I see Yainer Diaz and Korey Lee both making the team with Diaz in the mix for DH starts.

    If both start on the IL then I could see Dirden making the team.
     
  11. IdStrosfan

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    My best guesses for opening day 26 man.

    C) Maldy, Lee, and Diaz
    inf) Abreu, Altuve, Bregman, Pena, Hensley
    OF) Alvarez, McCormick, Meyers, Tucker
    Util) Dubon.

    SP) Brown, Framber, Garcia, Javier, Urquidy
    RP) Abreu, Gage, Maton, Martinez, Montero, Neris, Pressly, Stanek.

    Injured: Brantley and McCullers
     
  12. Tuckmose

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    One wonders what Dubon's sticking around for when they already have a 5th infielder and 4th outfielder back and healthy, with another outfield prospect banging down the door to the majors with his bat, and the other with everything else.

    Nothing against the guy, but I'd much rather experiment with Leon or Dirden in the OF before him, though I guess he's around in case they need a 6th infielder.
     
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    Is it just me or do those on the bubble seem to be outperforming the locked?
     
  14. CisBuds4U

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    He's Dusty's pet so he'll stay around. I completely agree - there are guys in the minors with far more upside and potential and we hang on to this guy who is an avg defensive player and a terrible offensive one. My issue is Dusty will feel compelled to play him more than is warranted, which brings down the overall efficacy of the team. You have to take away the temptation and give the young guys a chance.
     
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  15. IdStrosfan

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    Disagree.

    Dubon is a very valuable 26th man. He is replacement level at everything except power hitting and can play anywhere on the diamond in a pinch.

    Having him allows the team to have less versatile players like 2 LF/DH only bats or maybe a 3rd C to DH in Diaz.

    The issue is how he is used.

    He should never start more than a game or 2 in any given month and only be used as a late inning replacement to get through a game after an injury or ejection, strategically as a runner for a slower guy when a run is needed, or to get a regular out of a game that's out of hand to limit risks.
     
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  16. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Dubon plays shortstop fairly well from a defensive standpoint (plus defender) unlike any other backup. Last season was his worst offensively so he has some upside.
     
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  17. SuraGotMadHops

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    Am I watching a different spring training than everyone else? Meyers has just three hits scattered across all of spring training and basically nothing else. The put out of Altuve was from shallow outfield and was more of a typical ill advised baserunning decision by Jose than a great play from Jake. Jake is as meh as it gets right now.
     
  18. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Right now I would rather try out Dirden in left and Chas in center than Meyers and Chas. I'm a Meyers fan but he hasn't shown anything since the injury that makes him a better choice than the other 2. He's had about one good month in the big leagues in the last 2 seasons.
     
  19. IdStrosfan

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    It's extremely hard to use spring stats as a Guage for anything. First of all it's a small sample and second many players are working on specific things instead of focusing 100% on getting outs and winning.

    Because of that, only the Astros coaches know if Meyers is back to pre-injury form.

    I didn't see the play and have watched very little video this spring but all he can do is make the throws that are there. He can't say, " Hold up Jose I'm going to take 20 steps back and then try to throw you out so fan's know my arm is better "

    He made the play and may or may not have last year.

    What I see at the plate is 13 PA and 3 Ks and 1 BB with 2 singles and a double.

    Meyers is on the 40 man and his competitors like Dirden are not so he has the upper hand. The other must be exceptional AND Meyers bad for him to get passed up.

    Very small sample and inconsistent competition pitching to him.

    But in both 2021 and 2022 he had a K rate of over 30% and this is 23%.

    Jake is the best defensive OF in the organization with the glove. He also had above average run production numbers in 2021 despite a K rate north of 30%.

    If he can be average at throws and get his K rate below 28% he will be a very very good player for this team.

    So far Meyers has done what he needs to in order to make the team.
     
  20. SuraGotMadHops

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    Thats all fine but you said Meyers has had a "solid" Spring Training and mentioned the put out like it was something to make a note of. You are right that its a small sample and it is hard to use spring training stats as a gauge for anything, which is why there isn't enough there to say he has had a "solid" spring training. It's all meh.
     

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