I think he has some friends or people he talks to in the org, but he also seems to try to play up his connection more than it really is. During the Demeco coaching staff stuff he would post things as rumors after they'd already been announced to the media.
He doesn't like Young because he thinks he's going to have a shorter career due to what he's seen of his injury history. I get that you disagee with him. Go back in this thread and checkout some of his thoughts. He's friends with some of the minority owners.
https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-30#post-3319410 If we are going to speak of Bryce and his injury history..........which is not being discussed at all for some reason, let's take a look. Oct of last year, he sustain an A/C shoulder separation when he was tackled and landed on his shoulder. He missed only 1 game. In the NFL, the most common mechanism for a QB to sustain an A/C separation is when a tackler comes down with his full weight on the QB, driving his shoulder into the turf. What is concerning is that I have found that Young has sustained at least 4 A/C separations in the past, albeit apparently grade I. But in the NFL those NFL defensive players will be likely expected to place much more weight behind any similar trauma to the shoulder. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-40#post-3321112 The more I think about it, the more I question many of the mock drafters, talking heads and expert evaluators re. the Bryce Young train. Too many things going through my head. His height.........quibble over 1/2 inch one way or the other...........he is still short. Gaining weight to even 200 lbs (which some are projecting as his Combine weight) will not make up for his rather relatively slight frame. He had already gained ~11 pounds in the past 2 years to get to 194 pounds. If he does get to 200 pounds, will it have any effect on his mobility? Will he even be able to maintain that weight? And will he maintain any semblance of durability with the weekly big boys in the NFL. Will his college skill set translate well to the NFL? Young has been essentially only a 2 year college player. The concern has to be especially emphasized by how Kyler Murray, who is of comparable size at 5-10, 207 pounds, has missed 9 games and played hurt for the past two seasons. No one is speaking of Young's injury history at all.........apparently blowing it off as insignificant. Four A/C joint and one rotator cuff injury, even though grade I and II, is not insignificant in a 2-year history. Maybe Young can join Tua in his Judo classes. I retain too many questions regarding Young to even take him at 1:2, let alone to consider trading up for him (especially for the King's ransom that it likely will take). https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-45#post-3321773 I just discovered that Bryce Young's shoulder injury last Oct not only included an A/C separation and a mild rotator cuff injury, but that he also suffered a shoulder joint subluxation on that play........an injury that has gotten no play by the media.............and has significant prognostic implications. While sometimes the symptoms of subluxation are mild, it can potentially lead to long term problems including recurrence, full dislocation, rotator cuff injury and arthritis. Shoulder subluxation is defined as partial or incomplete dislocation of the glenohumeral (shoulder) joint or displacement of the humeral head (the ball of the joint) and glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) while the humeral head is in contact with the glenoid fossa. The weakness of rotator cuff muscles or laxity of the glenohumeral ligaments causes the humeral head (the ball of the joint) to slip out of the glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) easily and results in glenohumeral (shoulder joint) subluxation. When a subluxation occurs, the labrum is not uncommonly torn from the bone and the capsule is stretched. These injuries can cause recurrent instability. During the Combine, there will be concentrated attention especially to the condition of his labrum. The shoulder joint's stability depends on the labrum, but just as importantly if not more so, the surrounding muscles including the rotator cuff muscles to protect it . Looking a Young's muscle development casts further doubt in my mind on his ability to avoid further shoulder (amongst other) issues in his NFL future. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-46#post-3321862 I'll be interested to see not only what Young's height at the Combine is, but also what his weight is then.......and when he plays in the 2023 season. Bryce entered college supposedly at 190 lb and played most of his time there supposedly at 190 until later in 2022 when supposedly weighed as high as 194 lb. Brees entered college in 1997 weighing 190 lb. By 1999 until his graduation in 2001, he played at 209 lb. At his Combine, he weighed in at 213 lb...........as is classic, he quickly thereafter got down to his 209 lb playing weight. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-57#post-3322891 Are you overlooking Murray's injury history? 204 lbs on a slight frame is still a slight frame as far as injury risk. Can Young even retain this extra weight........and without losing performance? Was it fat or lean muscle weight. And since he didn't have to perform at the Combine, did he attain that weight by drinking lots of water and not peeing in the past 12 hours.........or eating like a pig and not prioritizing bowel movements over the past week. These are all legitimate questions that still remain. (Young bloated up like a boxer for his combine weigh-in) https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-60#post-3323153 As I previously presented as the most likely scenario for his new weigh in. (Young ate a high sodium meal to gain weight the night before) https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-58#post-3323011 Re. Young, I was asked how much weight could he gain in 24 hours for the Combine weigh in. I have had athletes gain ~5-6 pounds (wanted or not) overnight after eating a large high sodium meal like hamburgers and French fries. It would likely affect some of his performance...........but that variable was entirely removed by Young opting to forego Combine testing. (Pushing back his pro day is “proof” that “it’s obvious” the shoulder injury is still lingering) https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-62#post-3323282 When I first heard of this change, I was taking it as certainly quite suspicious. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-62#post-3323346 (Question Cloak - once an ac joint has been weakened, aren't they more easily injured with a recurrence?) Not necessarily for a low grade A/C separation. Everyone seems to be focusing in on the A/C separation. However that is the least of my concern. I will repost my previous post which relates my primary concerns in detail.: (see 2nd post/link above) https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-63#post-3323373 If you notice, there have been no releases of medical evaluations to date. Also be aware that the medical evaluations are solely for team Draft consumption purposes. All participants sign waivers for their medical information to be shared with the NFL and every team. They are never released officially to the public (unless the player himself does so). HIPAA precludes this. However, sometimes, they are leaked later. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-63#post-3323398 Young won't weigh in again at his Pro Day. The question is simply "Why?" Well, I guess that should allow him plenty of time to get back to his 194 lb playing weight. Too bad heavy salt intake doesn't make you taller. Bryce was getting shot up, which is why he played well after the injury https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-63#post-3323405 You can get shot up for grade I A/C and rotator cuff injuries. After a shoulder subluxation, injections with physical therapy can return a player to play very quickly. But future subluxation and dislocation are not uncommon. Lastly, players often play through labral tears, but doing so can lead to very significant problems...........Andrew Luck ignored and played through a "minor" labral tear for 2 years.........eventually leading to a "shredded" labrum which resisted surgical intervention. Any shoulder problems in the throwing shoulder of a quarterback is not a joke. And when you're dealing with what Young has already experienced in an ultra-short college career, the concern is not only for a 7 or 12 month period, it is a setup to rear its ugly head any time in the future. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-64#post-3323685 As much as some remain unconcerned regarding Young's build, no one is really talking about a most important stat. What shouldn't be ignored in light of his obvious lack of bulk, was that he has been sacked 53 times in the past two seasons. Every sack in the NFL is a significant risk for injury. In college, he had a great Oline, so why wouldn't that bring up to some extent the subject of "pocket awareness"? https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-65#post-3323690 (6 sacks in '20. He had 39 sacks his first year as a starter in '21. He improved that with only 18 sacks in '22.) I have a difficult time believing that Young will improve that stat in the NFL. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-65#post-3323737
On Stroud… (That one missed game was against Akron … the “noticeably subpar games” — https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cj-stroud-1/gamelog/) https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-33#post-3319692 Since posting the above, I looked into Stroud's history and found it coincidentally interesting that in the opening game of the 2021 season, he suffered an A/C shoulder separation of his right throwing shoulder. He missed 1 game, but played noticeably subpar for several games. Prior to that in fall camp, he also suffered a grade I rotator cuff of that shoulder. From then on, his HC very much limited any designed runs for him for his protection. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/texans-random-thought-of-the-day.77396/page-421#post-3305880 Stroud being represented by Mulaghetta should be enough to say no thank you. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/bryce-young-vs-cj-stroud.116702/page-7#post-3296123 Somewhere along the way, anyone with a minute amount of smmarts has to learn the theory of the hot stove. After all this franchise has been put through, if the Texans take on Stroud, they deserve everything that Mulugheta throws at them............and he definitely will. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-56#post-3322820 Stroud is represented by Athletes First. He is inspired by Watson who is represented by Athletes First. “I mean, nah, I don’t want to go there (to the Bears). That’s his (Fields') team." Fields is represented by Athletes First. _______________________________ On Levis… Levis injuries are not a concern https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-46#post-3321824 As far as Levis, in the 2022 season he suffered through multiple injuries throughout the season...........A dislocated middle finger, a grade II ankle sprain, a foot injury (which was actually a grade II turf toe) and undisclosed shoulder injury (actually a grade II A/C separation). He only missed 2 games. The dislocated finger was on his nonthrowing hand and his shoulder injury was on his nonthrowing shoulder. Nevertheless, he is a tough SOB. He might as well not had an Oline as bad as it was........probably a reason for him having less than truly impressive numbers. He may need to be held back once in the NFL because he not only does not shy from conduct, he seems to embrace it. On the positive side, his injuries are not the type that should be long-term concerns. BTW, it does not appear that Levis had any significant injury history prior to last season. _______________________________ On Carter… https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-49#post-3322188 Something I've found re. Carter and bothers me at least as much as the recent revelations is that he has had a Clowney-like work ethic. Skipped practices often, paid little attention to putting work into his conditioning, and took off plays during games. _______________________________ On Anderson… https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-47#post-3321898 What I'm hearing now is that the Bears at least at this point are strongly considering keeping 1:1 for Anderson. https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2023-texans-draft-discussion.116785/page-25#post-3317391 Another very important fact to consider...................Anderson never had a significant injury in the 3 years at Alabama. Sept last year, he left a game walking off the field after a what was reported being due to a "knee injury." In fact, I have found out that this injury was a grade I MCL.............an injury that did not affect his subsequent performance, nor does it place him at any increase risk for re-injury.
Got a feeling the Texans GM and coaches have this information. Young may not be their guy but if they pick him they will do it with all information available.
I wasn't aware of a subluxation for Young. If so, that gives you pause. Interesting that these quarterbacks have all had AC injuries. I bet 80% of NFL quarterbacks have too. Therefore, I don't think there's an issue with a grade 1 (or 2... In Levis's case) AC joint injury. But if there's a subluxation, I'd definitely be a little worried. That being said, I'm sure there are plenty of MRIs to look over and other medicals to confirm these things.
I think he may be the Texans one or two, as well. Mostly due to his 3 cone time. The niners value that in their WRs.
I still would pick a guy like Smith or Van Ness over JSN. JSN hamstring issues worry me. Those things tend to reoccur.
Bryce Young should be off our board if he’s injured. We’ve already made too many excuses and rationalizations to take a QB that does not meet the size or arm strength requirements of a top tier QB. To layer on an injury risk on top of these other concerns is simply disqualifying. Enough is enough.
All of this excerpt Stroud. Trade down with Carolina #9and # 40. Draft Van Ness and Camp ell with these picks. Sign Jimmy G and Zach Allen in FA. Draft Bennett in the 5th/6th and another QB in 2024 and let's roll. Also draft Wypler at 3-73.
The key word in your post is “if”. He has gone through the physical at the combine and will likely go through another at pro day. No one anywhere other than here has uttered a word about him being injured. Of course if he is injured you don’t take him. That’s obvious. Interesting quotes from the Pro Football Network The true importance of the combine has nothing to do with gauging athleticism. The medical examinations in Indianapolis can make or break a prospect’s … prospects. Those exams are a big reason the draft is held where it is. Quarterbacks get injured. In 2022 we saw most of the mobile quarterbacks in the NFL go down. We also saw a fair share of more traditional pocket passers, like Jimmy Garoppolo, miss games. Injuries are an inevitability of the game. Overall weight and mass relative to one’s frame often coax us into a false sense of safety. Josh Allen is as imposing a QB as there is in the NFL, and by the end of a 17-game season, he was utterly banged up. A study by Football Outsiders concluded that the heavier a player, the more likely they are to suffer injury.
I think Bryce screwed himself by not participating in the combine. Of course they are going to drool all over him for his pro day. But I don't think it will be enough.
