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Chapter 5: The Green Revolution Falls

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Mar 8, 2023.

  1. invocux

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    He'll be fine but he will never be ''30ppg scorer in this league on very good efficiency'' fine. I still think his peak is Ingram or Lavine which is fine.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Why would that be his peak?

    Like saying it doesn't make it reality. Give reasons. Why is his peak that and not Devin Booker?

    Or why can't it be higher?

    What are you seeing on the floor? Stats at the same age? What are you seeing and observing that gives you that limit.
     
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    1. Using league average efficiency numbers when a bulk of the data points include things like lob threats and low volume players who are just regulated to taking wide open shots like your 7th man of the bench who's only a defensive specialist and is only asked to take the wide open shots or the open cut to the rim.

    2. Jalen Green has dropped his ts% and efg% by 1% while these things occured:
    • His usage rate jumped 7 percentage points
    • NBA defenses are game planning for him. Out in the perimeter he he is the center of attention.
    • The roster is considerably worse than last season. Compared the Jabari Smith Jr, Christian Wood helps out Green significantly more by spacing the floor and defenses genuinely fearing Wood. We had veteran pgs like Dennis and Augustine who are far more competent than guys like Nix or TyTy who are young scrubs or just young prospects.
     
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    Bust green chucker
     
  5. Dredd

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    He should never be sitting in the corner taking shots. That's Jabari's job.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    Ya that's a rather cherry picked stat. Green is not a stand in a corner and shoot open shots guy. That's not what he's asked to do.
     
  7. Verbal Christ

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    Its only 13% of Jalens shot profile - last year on a slight uptick he was shooting those at 37%. Meaningless in the same way one could say Alperen Sengun is utterly garbage and absolutely useless on those shots where he is a lifetime 16% shooter on corner 3's, but you can live with him only attempting those 7% of the time.
     
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    That guy has no understanding on the concept of basketball. I believe he's the one who posted a tweet showing the best 10 players who shot OPEN 3's and then pointed out that KPJ wasn't on the list and thus a bust.
     
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    Devin Booker like CP3 like Derozan is an anomaly......or KD.

    Nobody shoots 2 pointers for a living.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Given his new account I wouldn't be surprised if he hates Sengun and just wants people to hate his fans more by playing the most ridiculous version of a SOF.
     
  11. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Green already averages near Ingram’s numbers and that’s his “peak?” This board says some weird stuff sometimes.
     
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  12. Dredd

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    Green has to be Kobe or he's a bust on this board.
     
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  13. Caesar

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    Frobe was pretty polarizing himself. I doubt you would see Lakers chat groups all hype for their kid too. A lot probably wanted to keep Jones over Kobe just like a lot here would rather keep KPj over Green except Eddie Jones was an all star with elite perimeter defense and could also jump out the gym.

    I think kobe was year 3 and in that lockout season at Jalens current age, but Jalen is with a tanking super young team and Kobe was getting 1on1 and open looks while Shaq dominated and their 2nd place team was surrounded by good vets. Kobes body was ahead of Jalens at the same age though. Kobe started weight training after those airballs in Utah. Jalen still looks like a teen age boy.
     
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  14. fchowd0311

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    To be fair Green genuinely looks more filled out as of late. I don't know if it's the haircut but he doesn't look small like he did in his rookie year.
     
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    But will he be gay like Ingram?

     
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    R.Jefferson
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  18. SamFisher

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    Green made second team All-HUNK

    Though, might've been pre-haircut.

    https://slate.com/culture/2023/03/all-nba-teams-hunks-hottest-basketball-players.html


    The 2022–23 All-Hunk NBA Official Selections
    First Team
    G Ochai Agbaji
    G Raul Neto
    F Jimmy Butler
    F Giannis Antetokounmpo
    C Nic Claxton

    Second Team
    G Jalen Green
    G Devin Booker
    F Yuta Watanabe
    F Kelly Oubre Jr.
    C Steven Adams

    Third Team
    G Gabe Vincent
    G Jordan Clarkson (tie)
    G Jrue Holiday (tie)
    F Rui Hachimura
    F Jerami Grant
    C Jalen Duren​
     
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  19. fchowd0311

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    Green got snubbed first team. He has a better nose than Ochai.
     
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  20. TimDuncanDonaut

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    Instead of Green's usual upside comp to Booker or Edwards, where those guys had a decent sophmore year. And body frame are thicker and have better defensive ratings.

    A more realistic (but still optimistic) comp is a 6'3/6'4" skinny 2-guard who made a leap his junior and senior year.

    Blazer's Anfernee Simons.​

    His scoring efficiency jumped 3rd year. Maintained good efficiency 4th/5th year when his minutes increased (after CJ left). Simons is in Green's weight class (170-180ish lbs). Is also more of a one way player. Defensive rating 119.1 (last year) is closer to Green's 121.8 (last year)

    Simon's is benefiting from Dame's gravity, maybe next year Green could be as well from a new point guard.

    Simons was 24th pick in 2018 draft...​

    Green's raw athletic talent is nice, but once in the league, developing skills and bball IQ is key. This is why it imperative to get better coaches and system. A chess prodigy at age 12 means little if by age 18, the person didn't continuously improve enough against others in their bracket.
     
    #60 TimDuncanDonaut, Mar 9, 2023
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