Love that we got out of there, and love that we are still getting Al Queda without our boots on the ground. Let them fight for their own country. DD
I don't know that history is going to remember it as such. I get that it's a narrative because of the following: -Video of people killing themselves trying to fly out on military airliner landing gear. -suicide bombing that killed a few Americans However I don't know that any of that had anything to do with Biden's "poorly executed plan." If you look in context at when the US abandoned Saigon it makes Afghanistan look pretty tame, and when you consider that Biden actually pushed out the plan he inherited from the previous president, it looks like he was actually putting more planning into it than the former guy. Also there's the context that'll be remembered which is "Was it the right or wrong move to get out of Afghanistan"... which is the central point worth debating. You shouldn't justify a war that'll kill hundreds if not thousands and cost the tax payers trillions for no American interests because it's possible that there could be bad social media posts and a terrorist attack on our way out. As president, you do have to make those hard decisions and weigh lives unfortunately. And I'm glad that Biden said to hell with the politics (we'd see social media posts of kids falling off planes, but we wouldn't see video of our military dying in combat in missions in the mountains) and just did what was in our best interest as a country. Now... could Afghanistan under Taliban rule become a major threat to the West.... potentially yes, and that would be a bad for Biden potentially. If the Taliban is able to get lets say chemical weapons and they use it to kill our allies or Americans or innocent people in an act of war... yeah... we'll talk then. If the Taliban does something that is such a human tragedy like the Holocaust where it's our moral imperative to act... then again... we'll talk then. But for now... Biden did the right thing IMO... but yes we have to stay diligent in making sure the Taliban does not become a threat to the world for sure. THAT is the lens at which we should be viewing this.
You ever met someone that feels the need to go out of their way to vocalize something to a try hard extent , because the facts are not in their favor? If it was really that great, you wouldn’t feel the need to constantly go “OmG wE diD so AmAziNG”. If you’re having fun at the party you don’t have to you’re having fun constantly , odds are you aren’t you keep feeling the need to talk it up, but don’t realize the damage that was done to individuals allied with us and how we have betrayed the people of afghanistan after ****ing their country up and siphoning 95% of our “fixing it up” funds. Hope you won’t have to endure your entire family getting blown up like these folks . The individuals we let down with this poorly executed retreat (and the innocent person and family killed in our retaliation response) are fertilizing the ground
Look if you are talking about how horrible it is in their country - I completely agree, but it is NOT our problem it was even worse when the Taliban was in charge the first time. We spent TRILLIONS trying to help them, rebuilt cities, schools, police, the military - but in the end - they folded to a much smaller Taliban force, they didn't want to fight for their own country. We should have left when the rest of the coalition left, there was ZERO reason for the USA to stay after it was over. I will ask this in all earnest - what would you have had the USA do that would have set them up for success? I think Biden inherited a **** sandwich and Trump had signed an everyone out by XYZ date, and we were stuck executing a deal that Trump signed WITH THE TALIBAN. For the record my youngest son's college roommate is from Afghanistan and his father was an interpreter for the US Army, we got them out, and I have heard all kinds of horror stories of life there - and they LOVE it here in the USA - Utah is where they moved - even they say there was nothing the USA could have done. So, I ask, in a peaceful, what am I missing or you think I am missing that would have made a difference @LosPollosHermanos ? DD
Dawg we fertilized the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan to create angry disgruntled folks more prone to extremism for the past two decades. Blaming the mess that is Afghanistan on the evacuation rather than the past 20 years is like blaming the clean up crew for the BP oil spill and not BP.
What It’s Like to Get Texts Every Day From Afghans Fleeing Taliban Persecution The crisis in Afghanistan never ended—not for the allies we left behind, and not for the volunteers helping them get out. https://www.thebulwark.com/what-its...day-from-afghans-fleeing-taliban-persecution/
U.S. State Department releases their report on the debacle that was the fall of Afghanistan.... Friday of a holiday weekend.... lol classic.
Debacle? The Debacle was spending 300 million dollars a day on a money pit only to enrich the military establishment. Anyone who blames the admin for the withdrawal and not the pentagon is naive. I read the report and they should be blaming the army.
It was debacle for a long time, the deal by the previous administration wasn’t the art of the deal. Biden admin clearly underestimated the withdrawal. It will be brought up as a talking point but I would bet it’s behind most folks. It’s certainly behind me at this point
If you've never seen the PBS documentary on Afghanistan war under Obama it's appalling. We were literally condoning child sex slaves in the name of peace. Give me a break. Leaving Afghanistan is one of bidens greatest accomplishments of all time. Truly went up against the deep state.
I still feel it was necessary to leave. How it was handled though was terrible and I think the low point of the Biden Administration. it was obvious to so many both within and outside the administration that the Afghan government was going to fall very fast yet Biden and many others were saying things contrary. After the fire initial disasters at the Kabul airport the US still ended up sending 6,000 more troops. Much more should’ve been done to secure the airport ahead time, get Afghans who helped US out, and more. Instead it was handled haphazardly and in denial of facts on the ground.
The way he left resulted in just as many if not more atrocities and betrayal. Again if you have to go out of your way to continuously state something / affirm it you probably don’t believe it yourself
I agree with everything. We should've left sooner but there's the issue of an orderly transition. The fact that this happened in the first year of a presidential handover will mean we'll only have a better idea of "which president to blame more" when in ten or twenty-ish years. It's easy to blame Bush for intelligence and Nat security ****ups over 9/11 but he didn't fully have his transition team in and the Clinton administration deliberately made the handover as slow and tedious as possible (sour grapes for the SCOTUS decision...) All this political football... I also agree the Pentagon is wholly to blame given their "Imperial Court" distortions for a colony/territory/project thousands of miles away for a couple of decades. With that amount of smoke, no one was willing to soberly address a real handover date. Everyone used those Afghani Assets as collateral in one way or another...
There's a reason why so many great powers have tried to take the Afghanistan region, resources and it's an historic geographical crossroads between east asia and central asia and the greater world. It was never mostly about Bin Laden but part of a grander strategy of the US securing resources and logistic routes to keep the US led world order lubricated with the flow of goods. If that makes you upset then understand it's now China and Russia securing those resources and logistic routes in central asia, africa, and south america. I wouldn't call myself "pro US empire building" but I find it naïve to not see the way the world works.
