Yes, those are sexual. I think the point is that not every Drag show is though, plenty are just dudes in dresses doing karaoke or something. I brought up the point of music videos, because its very similar. Should their be a public ban on music videos? Obviously, some are very explicit, they feature women wearing barely anything doing a lot of the same thing or sometimes men while also of course, some videos are not sexual at all. Do you open yourself to the idea that the people selling you this transpanic (groomers!) are not selectively showing the worst cases and then applying them to all?
I applaud what you're trying to do. But when people see one video, the natural response is to project it to an almost universal level. The fact is that a large majority of elementary age kids have never ever seen a person in drag or a trans person other than videos. It certainly isn't a big concern for them unless their parents have made it appear to be so.
The hypocrisy is that Megan Thee Stallion could have a very public concert in Memphis and invite actual strippers on stage to perform with her and no one would bat an eye at it. I mean yeah, people would not take their kids to a Megan Thee Stallion concert and you'll get the usual "She's a bad influence!" boomers and such but you also would not see people calling her a groomer for twerking on stage for what is sure to be a teens in a crowd.. It seems to me the main fear isn't that its overly sexual, just that it's not heteronormative and they think such things will make their kids gay or trans. I mean I know that's going on, a lot of these very same posters and yall know who yall are, have raised concerns over the years about the growing number of LGBTQ+ youth because people feel this stuff actually turns would be straight kids into being well...not straight.
Every drag show is sexual. A dude dresses as a woman for sexual reasons. Show me drag shows, of the plenty, that aren't sexual. You're likely going to end up finding videos of drag queens wearing tight and short dresses or singing inappropriate songs. But try it anyway. The music stuff isn't the same. The most explicit videos aren't being presented as something kid friendly. We ban candy cigarettes for the same reasons why drag shows for kids should be banned.
The whole thing is about imitating the opposite sex, so by definition it is focused on sex. The people arguing something else are either obtuse or disingenuous. And them being obsessed with getting in front of children is...more than weird.
In the conversation about the increase in LGBT youth, years ago, apparently, I talked about how they were all about letting anything go, everything is okay, there's no such thing as normal, who cares if this or that is happening, completely abandoning the word no. Well, now they're stuck defending drag shows for kids. Something that until recently wasn't even a thing. Later, they'll defend worse.
I'm in favour of you having the freedom to follow your desire to wear women's clothes and pretend you are a woman. But not in front of children. Simple. Insisting to do this in front of children is just super creepy and weird. Reminds me that a lot of leftists were arguing in favour of pedophilia some decades ago. https://www.theguardian.com/world/g...en-jurgen-trittin-regret-paedophilia-pamphlet I know this disgusting freak. Never liked him.
So you are saying short dresses and tights are sexual? So you are then for banning dresses and tights from public? Every drag show isn't presented as kid friendly either. In fact, it's a lot easier for your kid to watch a Megan Thee Stallion video than it is for them to get into a drag show. You're just making an argument that we should ban a ton more stuff. Candy cigs not even in the same universe as this.
You're literally being obtuse because you're acting like there is one definition for sex. Imitating the opposite sex, as in... 2.) either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. "adults of both sexes" So are dresses only not sexual if women wear them? I'm sorry, do you realize how this argument could be torn to shreds in a minute?
I'm making the point that dresses can be sexy. Drag queens aren't dressing up like Mrs. Doubtfire or Madea and it's because dressing up like women isn't the entire point. Neither is simply reading books to kids the point. We're talking about the sexualized ones that are presented as kid friendly. For kids? Yes, a lot more stuff should be banned. The basic point is they are inappropriate for kids just like drag shows are no matter the packaging they are presented in.
Wait, are you actually saying that you favor laws banning people from presenting as women in public, if they weren't born with the proper private parts? You think doing so is inherently a sexual act and inappropriate to do in the presence of children?
Except yes, some do. Also, are you saying that dresses should be banned from public or not? You never answered that. Ok, then ban kids from those. Ok, as long as we are consistent. That means anything sexual should be publicly banned. Well, your argument works better if you were to say that since candy cigs are inappropriate for kids than all candy should be banned or all straw shaped candy should be banned. My argument is that not all drag shows are sexual or that all drag queens are sexual. You're saying that since SOME are, all should be banned. I just do not think this is consistent with how we handle anything.
I didn't think that was a serious question. Of course they shouldn't be banned. Write a law that would or revise the one discussed in this thread. The same people mad at that law would be mad at yours. Really? No, I am saying that all drag shows are sexual and all of them are inappropriate for kids.
Lol, you're right, it shouldn't be a serious question because this isn't Afghanistan and I'm puzzled that an American would flirt with the idea of stopping a man from wearing a dress unless you are a fundamentalist Muslim...in which case I guess I would understand your POV better. So, ban men from wearing tights and dresses in public then? You said a man wearing it is sexual, so you're for banning men from wearing dresses (or dressing like a woman) out in public? I only ask these questions to get you're stance, to clarify your stance, they are not gotcha questions but the conversation has led me to ask this question since you so clearly said that men wearing dresses is always sexual. Don't think anyone would mind it, i mean we know how this works, we already have laws that protect kids from sexual stuff, just enforce those. What need is there to then ban drag shows publicly? Except you are wrong here, have you been to all drag shows or something? You only know about the clips you're shown, have you been to one? This is like saying all Pro-wrestling events are for adults, some are, some are extremely violent...while some are kid friendly. Also, again, you are saying that since Drag shows are 'sexual' then it is right to ban them (and drag queens) from public. It then follows that anything 'sexual' should be banned from public eye. That's what logically follows from your argument. You said...quoting here... I mean what you're asking for is a state mandated dress code, a man can't wear a dress because it's 'sexual' and thus should be banned from the public eye. You can try to back out what you're arguing but you've been pretty clear on this page. What I don't get is your argument pretends as if a woman wearing a dress is always an innocent thing and can't also be extremely sexual. Most of the things women put on is to be sexually appealing, from lipstick, to heels. Let's be real here, a lot of women that have something to show, will show it. Using this argument, booty shorts are ALWAYS sexual, so should we ban those? What about low cut v blouse that's showing off the cleavage? Any kind of tight pants as well that shows thighs and booty, also ALWAYS sexual, banning these too?
What parent wants their kids to flip their gender ? Like zero This is the Steph Curry test All these ‘woke’ d&ders say that but sure as hell not their kids Like Steph says he like people from Oakland But not living next door to him @ROXRAN fake outrage , especially this gender kids flip thing
Drag shows should not be illegal. Dressing as the opposite sex in public should not be illegal. If parents OUTSIDE of school choose to take their children to drag shows, that is their choice.
No, I was referring to the other discussion regarding the type of sexualized drag shows that have been reported.
