Official Vigilante Justice Thread: update: store clerk goes john wick on two armed robbers

Yes 13 year old kids can kill adults. This wasn’t a case of self defense though.

 

I will state again I’m someone who during the George Floyd riots did go out and protect my neighborhood. That was a case of a major breakdown in society where LE said they couldn’t respond to most situations. I did it with extreme caution though and working with my and property owners.

In general though there is a big difference between self defense and being a vigilante. In one you’re acting out of an immediate threat to your own safety. In the other you’re looking for danger.

 

That’s self defense. She was attacked and defended herself. She didn’t go out looking for trouble. Being a vigilante by definition is looking for trouble.

 

The link isn’t working for me but yes this shows why it’s a risk to be a vigilante. This isn’t about being soft on crime but about putting your own life and the lives of other at risk.

Also in the DC case it’s not reported that the 13 year old was even armed.

 

I don't really consider a victims protecting themselves/property as vigilantes. An uninvolved third party would be in my view.

But again, with an ineffective police force, citizens are left with little options to protect themselves or their property. So while there is a risk, it's something each individual will has to assess based on their situation. A lower income person will be more affected by property loss than someone with more disposable income, and therefore their livelihood may be at risk from property loss.

In the DC case, it was at night time. Texas recognizes that it's hard to determine if a suspect is armed in the darkness of night, so lethal force is allowed. That allows the victim more ability to protect themself rather than wait for the criminal to draw first.

 

except this thread is about “vigilantes” yet under your definition most of the incidents here aren’t actually vigilantes.

Risk though always has to be a factor and as you noted a criminal very well could kill someone acting out of good intentions. Is your catalytic converter worth risking your life over?

This is important both as someone who has actually dealt with crime both in a situation where LE themselves had said they couldn’t do their jobs but also as someone who teaches self defense. Most of self defense is not putting yourself into danger. Being a vigilante is the opposite of that.

This is a tangential subject but in situations like they it’s a bad idea to shoot first without fully assessing the threat. There have been many cases of someone shooting a family member or innocent person because it was dark and they thought they were a threat.

 

teacher takes Nintendo unit from student; student takes law into own hands and engages in vigilante justice

Spoiler

 

An actual vigilante is someone that goes out of their way to enforce the law even though they are just a civilian.

Especially dressing up and trying to be a hero is a bad idea as this guy found out.

Most of these cases in this thread are self defense. That isn’t the same thing.

 

Fla. student to be charged as adult after attacking staffer who took Nintendo Switch

https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/florida-student-to-be-charged-as-adult-in-attack-on-woman/

excerpt:

A 17-year-old Florida student caught on video beating a female school staffer unconscious after she confiscated his Nintendo Switch video game device will be charged as an adult — as it emerged that he has previously been arrested for battery three times.

The 6-foot-6 teen has been named for the first time as Brendan Depa after the Seventh Judicial Circuit Court ruled that he would be tried as an adult with aggravated battery on a school board employee, the Daytona Beach News-Journal reported.

The first-degree felony is punishable by up to 30 years behind bars, according to the outlet.

Depa “did actually and intentionally touch or strike (the victim) against the will of (her) and in doing so used a deadly weapon, and/or intentionally or knowingly caused great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement,” the State Attorney’s Office said, according to Click Orlando.
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more at the link

 

I want a job title that ends in 'monger'.

 

That’s not being a vigilante. If someone takes over the plane everyone in its life is in danger. Since 911 it’s common knowledge that defense of a plane is everyone’s responsibility.

You’re using the term “vigilante” to any case of self defense when by definition that is going out looking for crime to fight. Not defending yourself from a situation that you didn’t seek.

 

@tinman has no interest in distinguishing between appropriate and responsible self defense, and actual vigilantism. The point of this thread is to glorify the act of “fighting back” against crime, no matter if it is wise, reasonable, or not. The point of this thread is to glorify gun toting citizens shooting up criminals because wokesters are weak on crime or pro crime, or whatever stupid catchphrase Tucker is using these days.

Basically: Carry a gun, defend yourself, sand if someone comes at you, shoot ‘em up.