First, this is silly. Women are the largest and most marginalized group in the world - they are marginalized based on their gender. Having said that, no one said that trans people would have power or control over women - indeed no one said that trans gendered people are not discriminated against, or that they do not experience some forms of discrimination that cis women do not. The whole point is that sex and how someone is treated is VERY closely correlated - and that the experiences of a cis woman, are very different and a lot of women want that to be respected and appreciated and there are somethings unique to cis women like child birth or periods, etc. Also, you are a very open minded and good person - I would encourage you to read more about feminism. I was ignorant, and somewhat skeptical until I had spent a long time reading about it and started to realize how vastly different men and women see the world and how incredibly different society treats men and women.
It isn't one or two people - it is something that is becoming more and more common and reflected in a number of things, from Planned Parenthood to the language being used. It isn't about trans people having the power to do what cis men do......... that has nothing to do with it. The term breast feeding has already been changed to chest feeding in a number instances, and is becoming the acceptable term........
Trans women and non-trans women are different. In many social contexts it may make sense and be the right thing to group them together, but we shouldn’t lose sight of the differences either. That wouldn’t be fair to the members of either group.
This. Trans people deserve every protection under the law, and should be treated as well as everyone else. Tran people are a marginalized group in the USA and around the world, and deserve the same basic respects as everyone else. Cis women likewise deserve to be treated well and protected - and respect should be given for the unique experiences of cis women, just like every other group in the world.
Dismissing it as mental illness is lazy, no? I suppose there is body dysphoria and that is in the DSM-5, but it is not generally thought of as a mental illness. Gender dysphoria also can be successfully treated through therapy. I am old enough to remember when people felt that homosexuality was a mental illness and now that is something that only a small group of people believe. Transexual people have always existed and they always have. We are reaching the point where they are more widely being accepted by main stream culture and that is a good thing IMO, because pretending they do not exist or forcing them to hide it is not at all healthy.
I agree with this, I am just pointing out origination as something that comes from mental illness. Doesn't mean they aren't humans or shouldn't be treated with respect - it just means I think they have a sickness. Where I dismount is where society is expected to maneuver around a person and accommodate them (i.e. competing in women's sports) just because they think they are a girl. They are not and never will be, sorry but that's a fact. I also disagree when people try to compare homosexuality tolerance and societal adapting to such with trans people. A gay man is still a man, he is just a gay man. A transwoman is a man...that's it.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-sinister-rise-of-drag-shows-for-children/ The sinister rise of drag shows for children 4 March 2023, 9:46am DragCon (photo: Getty) Comments Share The hyper-sexualisation of children’s shows in the name of ‘diversity and inclusion’ continues to grip the United Kingdom. The latest incarnation to emerge is the ‘Caba Baba Rave’ – a ‘cabaret sensory rave for parents and their babies 0-2 years’ – which has been performing in London and was due to appear in Waterloo on 11 March. It recently came to light that the show, which promised to provide a ‘little slice of afternoon delight’, was packed full of half-naked drag acts, wearing bondage gear, thongs and nipple tassels in front of children. The performers often name themselves after lewd sex acts. Nothing is left to the imagination. Those in positions of power appear only too happy to push this twisted agenda After public outcry after videos of the ‘rave’ were shared on social media, the organisers have cancelled their upcoming shows. They have taken their website down and turned all of their social media profiles to ‘private’, in what could be construed as an attempt to avoid the rigorous scrutiny they are now facing. They have also chosen to engage in bizarre justification and mudslinging, rather than use this criticism to indulge in some self-reflection about whether or not it is appropriate to dance half-naked in front of children. They have blamed the cancellation of their shows on ‘trolling’ and say the only people who take issue with their performances are people who ‘have a problem with… non-binary performers.’ And as if it makes it any better, they say their shows for babies are aimed more at the parents who want to have a ‘night out during the day’. Most shockingly, they try to justify their sexualised performances on the basis that the babies are too young to know what is happening anyway. They make a ridiculous comparison: ‘it goes without saying babies of a young age aren’t able to grasp the plot of an intricate, thought-provoking movie.’ Just because a young child may not fully understand what is in front of them, does not mean it is okay for them to be exposed to it in the first place. That is a basic premise of child safeguarding. Children lacking the proper developmental capacity should not find themselves being treated as sexual objects or being exposed to inappropriate sexual themes. For some time now people have suggested that child drag performances taking place around the UK are no different to pantomime dames at the theatre. It’s a laughable comparison. Traditional theatre is geared towards family entertainment and has age-appropriate content. It may be ridiculous and farcical, but unlike child drag acts, it is not sexual. The drag performances being offered to children, on the other hand, ooze sex. They are often hyper-sexualised in language and dress. They blur the boundaries between adults and children. And they are often promoted to children as something they may wish to aspire towards. Crucially, they promote and encourage regressive, sexist stereotypes of what it means to be a woman. Yet our children cannot seem to escape from this frenzy of sexualised drag. Shows such ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ are being performed in schools up and down the country. This particular show features ‘Aida H Dee’ wearing such tight-fitted clothing that his genitals are often visible. Drag Queen Story Hour seeks to offer ‘imaginative role models for children to look up to’. Dee will often have young children pose with the ‘trans pride’ flag at the end of a performance. This is the same individual who has previously said ‘trans women are women’ and ‘love has no age’. Even NHS England and Greenpeace have chosen to partner with this show. Drag Queen Story Hour has also raised money for Mermaids, a charity supposedly set up to help children struggling with gender dysphoria. Those in positions of power appear only too happy to push this twisted agenda. A video emerged last year from the Royal Borough of Greenwich’s Pride Festival of a drag act, advertised for children. It included a performance of ‘Sweet Transvestite’. There is no world in which this is appropriate for young children. Drag shows are being pushed, even when they are utterly irrelevant to the work of a given organisation. Last year, the Royal College of Nursing advertised a drag show they were hosting for ‘children aged 0-7’. I’m not entirely sure what sexist and sexualised drag shows have to do with the nursing profession. The commercialisation of such drag performances is ensuring they become increasingly more mainstream. At the start of the year, ‘RuPaul’s DragCon’ was held at the London ExCel centre. Children were actively sought after, with ‘kids eight and under’ let in for free. Performers included ‘A’Whora’, ‘La Big Bertha’ and ‘My Little Puny’. One of the acts, Victoria Scone, who has referred to their act as ‘pretty damn vulgar’ was videoed doing the splits and twerking in front of very young children. What I find most shocking of all is the increase in drag performers encouraging children on stage to partake in the show. In the States, videos online show young children dancing provocatively while audience members through money at them. The is the literal sexualisation of our children. Unfortunately, the powers that be appear hell-bent on putting their heads in the sand. A letter written by myself and several others to the Children’s Commissioner, raising concerns about these type of performances, never received a response. The market for this vulgarity is, depressingly, propped up by parents who are willing to take their children to these shows. For those who dare to speak out against this, they are smeared as ‘transphobes’ or ‘bigots’. Those complicit in the facilitating of the sexualisation of children, whether for profit, or simply to signal how ‘inclusive’ they are, must stop and soon. Our children must be protected.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...queen-sees-performer-spreading-legs-kids.html Shocking footage of 'family friendly' drag queen show sees performer spreading their legs and thrusting their breasts in front of children who are encouraged to leave tips A drag queen appeared to be performing at a 'family friendly' event Young kids were present as the sexually suggestive moves were made The drag queen spread their legs and thrust their breasts forward A young boy could be seen handing a trip towards another cast member Footage posted by infamous Libs of TikTok account sparked outrage online Shocking footage has emerged on Twitter of a so-called 'family friendly' drag queen show in which one of the performers can be seen spreading their legs in front of an audience that includes young children. 'This is what a 'family friendly' drag show looks like. Drag queens spreading their legs for little kids to tip them,' stated the infamous Libs of TikTok Twitter account. Although the time and location are yet to be identified, the event appears to have been sponsored by IPIC Movie Theaters which operates a number of locations across the northeastern US, Florida and California. In the short clip, a scantily clad drag queen performs a forward role along a catwalk before then suggestively spreading their legs wide in a skimpy leotard. A drag queen appeared to be performing at a 'family friendly' event with a tip jar up-front Young kids were present as the sexually suggestive moves were made feet away The performer did a forward roll as they appeared on a makeshift catwalk Several young children were present in the audience as the suggestive moves were made The drag queen spread their legs and thrust their breasts forward The performer then thrusts their breast forward, all-the-while a young boy is merely feet away and appears to hand a tip over to another cast member. Earlier this year, the person behind the Libs of TikTok Facebook account - previously doxxed as Brooklyn real estate agent Chaya Raichik, was suspended from the social media platform permanently. The anti-woke Twitter account Libs of TikTok has long shared their growing concern about children being brought to sexualized shows in the name of diversity. This latest clip generated a visceral response online. 'As a gay man, I disavow this entirely. This is thoroughly inappropriate and needs to stop,' wrote Joseph Jones. 'I don't know how these 'family friendly' drag shows became so common, so fast. I feel like just a year ago this wasn't a thing,' said Joseph Steimle. 'I just DO NOT understand the parents who willingly expose their kids to this crap. Nah, I don't WANT to understand,' said one. 'This is super weird. These parents should be investigated,' added another. The latest clip of a drag queen performing for children generated a visceral response online The video from September 2021, posted by the infamous @LibsofTikTok account nearly nine months later, shows the performer then running off, taking a few more tips and letting it all hang out Similar instances have been recorded in the past including in September 2021 when a young girl was filmed tipping a drag queen baring a huge set of synthetic breasts during a 'family-friendly' event at a Michigan gay venue. The child, whose age was not disclosed, passed a bill to RuPaul's Drag Race star Yara Sofia at Hamburger Mary's in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in the clip. She was sat on the knee of an adult woman at the time, who smiled warmly as the youngster tipped the performer, whose real name is Gabriel Burgos Ortiz. Sofia strutted around the bar wearing a pair of large fake breasts that hung outside her costumes, complete with tiny yellow pasties covering the nipples in what appeared to be an arch attempt at modesty. The Grand Rapids outlet of Hamburger Mary's closed in January of this year, but its Facebook page is still active, complete with scores of fliers for events. Many of them are explicitly advertised as being for audiences aged 18+ only. But the flyer for the drag event attended by Yara Sofia was not, suggesting that it may indeed have also been marketed as a 'family-friendly' event.
That's a problem. Can you find me a drag queen that says it's sexual in nature? Also, is every drag show 'sexual' in nature?
So he wants to apply a negative social stigma to something people can't control. Got it. I mean look, either you think its a 'mental illness' or its something inherent, either way he's saying we should openly discriminate against people that have no control over who they are.
Look up a drag queen named Kitty Lemure. The ones in the clips posted in this thread have been sexual. Watch them and let me know what you think of them. Are they appropriate for kids? How else would you describe them if not sexual?
