Your usual "it's not even happening" answer, which at some point flips to "don't try to stop it, it's commonplace now".
Yes it's ideological indoctrination. All forms of teaching at a young age is that. When teachers sing the "share" song and teach sharing that is ideological indoctrination also. The goal is for society to agree that ideological indoctrination that tells kids to accept others for differences that don't reflect on moral character is okay. I'm against indoctrination if it teaches kids that people deserve eternal torture if they don't believe in the same god and stuff like that.
Man you talk to a lot of women about transgender people. Here I am trying to even encounter a transgender person in real life. I think a lot of this rhetoric about women being victims of transgender activism is basically right wing spam trickling into mainstream rhetoric. That's how I know their side is winning the rhetorical game but it makes sense the side that defends the current social and economic hierarchy has an easier time spamming their rhetoric into the brains of middle class Americans.
No problem. I just wish you were also honest in that you support child indoctrination also just with different set of values.
It doesn't matter if they were excelling in life. They were male, and that in it's self means a large degree of entitlement and privilege in the world in 2023. At this point, sexism is less obvious than even 50-70 years ago, but it is incredibly engrained in societies across the globe and is pervasive to an incredible extent. So, as a result, that entitlement carries over with them when they transition. It isn't about being lonely or ostracized etc. There is no doubt that a trans person has had experiences that a cis female has not and will not ever understand - but the same is true for cis-females. Someone born and raised as a female, regardless or culture have shared experiences and perspectives that unite them as females. That is why a lot of women, to each other or in private will raise concerns when transwomen claim they are every bit the same as a biological female.
What entitlement and privilege is a 12 year old male transitioning to being a female with most of society seeing that person at best odd and at worst a symptom of a society in decay experiencing? Man the amount of stories of you talking to women about trans stuff is weird. Most women will probably encounter 2 trans people in their lives. They are a non existent impact to women. The amount of convos you have with women about this subject seems highly disproportionate to tangible impact on society. I'm sorry but this is the oddest talking point from you a poster I respect.
I am friends with a number of non-binary and transgendered people. My wife is very close to a few transgendered men, and at this point (her best friend died a couple years ago) her best friend is a transgendered man. My wife is also very active in feminism and in academia. There are a fair number of transgendered or non-binary people, but most of them are under 35, that may be why you do not see or come across many. Also, many now have passing priv so you may not even know they are transgendered. Several times a week my home is fully of either feminists or trans-people and I hear their debates and arguments... etc. I used to go do other things, but started listening to them talk and there is a lot going on and there are a lot of disagreements about all of these topics. Most women, especially single women are in favor of things like reproductive freedoms, lifestyle freedoms, trans freedoms, etc..... but it starts to become an argument when it comes to some specifics. There is also a big difference between right wing talking points discussing the eradication of transgendered people, or banning transgendered teachers, banning trans surgery for adults, etc.... and saying that there is a distinction between a cis and transwomen based on biology and culture, or questioning the health of hormone therapy without long counseling for minors.
I didn't say it wasn't happening. I accurately described it has something that happens as outlier events and not a coordinated effort. You would have to ask the individuals doing it the reason why. Nobody would know for sure. Perhaps it is to read to children. Perhaps it is to provide a positive educational exposure to people of a community. There isn't a way to know or one answer. Since you believe it is a regular happening, can you post evidence of the frequency of such events?
By 12 years old, someone has already been exposed and treated as a male for a long time. Their family and society has treated them as a boy - and all the entitlement that comes with that. As far as a women only meeting 1-2 transgendered people - it is higher than that, and will continue to grow. In the US most studies have the population overall at 2% transgendered and growing quickly. There are 4-5 children in my sons small school that identify as trangendered. For people under 30? Over 5% in the USA identify themselves as transgendered.
Right wing talking points don't start with "eradicate x group". Right wing talking points start out with spamming small issues that involve a marginalized group over and over to create a false sense of frequency and pressing nature of the problem to the national discourse at large. So yes you are repeat right wing talking points that transgender activism conflicts with feminism unknowingly. And I can safely assume it's unknowingly understanding your post history and knowing that you are no where near a right wing ideologue. Your personal anecdotes no where reflect the average female and their encounter with trans people. Again, your discussion of trans people and their impact on women is very disproportionate to the real life impacts on society
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/ This says 1.2% for people 13-17. I'm assuming it's much lower for the overall population. Probably half a percentage point. So again, very rare.
I don't think a 12 year old boy who has been confused about their gender is appreciating much male privilege dude. More than likely he or she is a loner and confused about their identity.
You are making a lot of assumptions, and I don't think you understand the point - it has ZERO to do with right wing talking points, as the right wing would disagree with the majority of opinions feminists have on transgender rights. First, don't down-play the burden of being female - it is the largest and often over-looked oppressed group of people on the planet. Second, no one said that transgendered people should not have the full protections of the law, or not be granted rights... nor should they not be able to call themselves women or dress as women. The point is that there is an effort by some in the trans community to erase or change the culture and history of what it means to be a woman. What a lot of women want is simply the acknowledgement that there is a difference between the culture of a transwoman and a cis woman - and to respect the differences. Society as a whole down plays the burdens of being a female. We live in a patriarchy where women have had very little control in society and have been largely victimized more often by males than other females. This has nothing to do with a woman having her spot lost to a transwoman. This is about culture, redefining thousands of years and removing things that are unique to those that are born female. Either I don't articulate it well, or you are not understanding - the only reason I think I articulate it well is a couple of posters understood.
Definitely but not in relation to trans people. Trans people never have and never will hold the clout and hegemonic power to have a power dynamic over women. It isn't a thing and stop making it a thing.
This here is EXACTLY why the right wing does false flags like pretending to be an extremist antifa group online. Have one or two anecdotes in the internet cloud spammed about some trans person having some extreme thoughts and normal people have those things in their head when bringing up the subject matter. I'm sorry but those trans people you are thinking in your head that you believe said absurd things don't and never will have the clout to do what white cis men do to women at a systemic level. I don't know what crazy thing about breast feeding you heard from a trans activist but rest assured that statement will never harm women ever.
You don't get it. Read more of feminism. By twelve years old a male absolutely has received extensive male privilege. It is so engrained and institutional that it is often not obvious or discussed. How parents treat their children varies greatly by gender, how society treats children varies greatly from the toys they play with, to what television, social media and close family relationships view and treat children. Doctors even treat children differently based on sex - schools, even strangers. It is so engrained that it cannot be avoided. The world treats people differently based on sex all the way to before birth even - That means the experiences of a transgendered female are going to be very different than a cis female. No one is saying that transgendered people do not face a lot of discrimination and in some ways likely worse than women - the point is that there is a cultural difference that needs to be appreciated.
A 12 year old born boy who is transgender is not experiencing those privileges as good experiences. And that 12 year old trans kid will never have the power to influence women rights.
