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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. Amiga

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    It's clear to me that there are still institutional and cultural racism and bias. It's also clear to me that many people don't realize it.

    The state should not have the authority to ban or dictate what can be taught in history. This power could allow those in dominant positions to shape historical narratives through their inherently biased and unprofessional perspective, regardless of whether their intentions are biased or not.
     
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    While that statement is true when discussing the world as a whole, it is not correct for slavery in America. It's worth noting that the bill under consideration also specifically addresses the teaching of slavery in America, not just the world as a whole.
     
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    was the law enacted?
     
  4. basso

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    name them please.
     
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    true. there were more European than African in America, even w/o including indentured servants.

    my ancestors are in the latter category.
     
  6. Amiga

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    There have been widespread restrictions on what can be taught in relation to history and race.

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    A total of 16 states so far have signed into law bills restricting education on race in classrooms or state agencies.

    There are currently 19 states that are considering bills or policies that restrict race education in schools or state agencies.

    Six states failed to pass this type of legislation.

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    The United States wasn’t founded for slavery but slavery in the US was specifically tied to race. This was codified into law and there wouldn’t have been needs for things like the 13th and 14th Amendments or laws regarding civil rights if it wasn’t. Consider for example in Rome people of all races could be slavery owners or slaves. people of all races could be citizens of Rome also. In the US while black slaves could be freed they also weren’t allowed the same rights of citizenship until the 14th Amendment and even after for a 100 years Jim Crow laws limited those rights.
    I can understand why some don’t like to hear it but much of the US history including our Constitution is due to race. To deny thst becaue it makes people uncomfortable is a disservice and misunderstanding of history.
     
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    This isn’t about responsibility. I don’t believe they current people even those who are descended from slave owners are responsible. It is though about understanding history and why the country is why it is and why things happened the way they did.
     
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    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.


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  10. StupidMoniker

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    Really? Where did the US slaveholders get their slaves? Who captured them and sold them to the slave ships?
    Did Black People Own Slaves? (theroot.com) The Root isn't exactly a bastion of white supremacy.
    All that is true, and should be taught in history. None of that is contradicted by the bill (or at least not in what is quoted in the article, I haven't seen the actual bill).
    I think every state has education standards that dictate what can be taught in history (and other subjects). I don't know how closely each teacher is monitored to see how closely they conform to those standards (probably enforcement is based on random observation and student/parent reports).
     
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    HB 1775 was enacted into law.

    But the other bill hasn't been voted upon.
     
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    Great.

    Now where’s my ****ing law legalizing back yard chickens?
     
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    define "restrictions" please.
     
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    what are the terms of HB 1775?
     
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    Why don't you do your own research and then we can discuss it, if you'd like.
     
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    I mean it jives with my personal experiences with conservatives. How many times have you heard the line "slavery was more than 100 years ago" anytime a discussion about racial issues and its effects on socioeconomics is brought up? It's near a 100% hitrate everytime that discussion comes up with conservatives. They really hate discussing it because they think it's a past thing that has no bearing on current conditions.
     
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    None of that is actually happening. All there is is anger and hopelessness.
    Yeah, kinda, but that's another issue. The word salad is what is made up.
    What difference does it make if people know any of that? First of all, those are all debatable concepts. People spend major parts of their lives studying those concepts and come out of their rabbit holes with different ideas. Second, whose accounts are we supposed to take? We know that 10 people could be eyewitnesses of the same event and have 10 different accounts of the event. Third, learning any of that will not teach you how to live. It has no real benefits. Just possibilities that have not become reality and likely won't ever.

    Also, in a later post, you implied that Black people couldn't own slaves in America. That isn't true. Black people did own slaves in America. If I'm not mistaken, some Black slave owners even went to court to keep their slaves and have runaways returned.

    I don't think knowing that will contribute anything to the lives of anybody. Same with all of the normal stuff we learned about slavery. That's not to say we shouldn't learn it or learn from it, but there will never be a real connection between knowing that type of history and an improvement in the lives of Black Americans. However, White Americans have been and will continue to win.
     

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