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Woke Republican Governor Bans Public Drag Shows

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 1, 2023.

  1. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    Unconstitutional.
     
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  2. AroundTheWorld

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    I'm actually not screaming about anything.

    In contrast to some of you.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Please explain, in detail, why it would be unconstitutional to limit exposing children to drag shows.

    Thanks.
     
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    Yes I am if all I can do is read your posts and notice patterns.
     
  5. Xerobull

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    Banning a drag show could potentially be unconstitutional because it may violate the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, which protects freedom of speech and expression.

    Drag performances are a form of artistic expression that often include political or social commentary, parody, or satire. As such, they may be considered protected speech under the First Amendment. Banning a drag show could therefore be seen as a violation of the performers' rights to freedom of expression.

    Furthermore, the ban could also be seen as discriminatory, as it may be motivated by animus towards the LGBTQ+ community, who are often associated with drag culture. Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity is prohibited under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
     
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    lol is this from chat gpt?

    Child protection is important, you know. All the things you listed have to be measured against that.
     
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    When considering a ban on a drag show in the context of protecting children against obscenity, there may be a tension between the First Amendment's protections of freedom of expression and the government's interest in protecting minors from harmful or inappropriate content.

    The Supreme Court has recognized that the government has a compelling interest in protecting children from obscenity and other harmful materials, but has also held that the government may not restrict the speech of adults merely to protect children from such materials.

    Regarding obscenity to minors:

    Whether a drag show would be considered obscene to minors would depend on the content of the show and how it is presented. Obscenity is a legal term that refers to material that is considered to be offensive to prevailing standards of decency or lacks any artistic, literary, or scientific value.

    The legal definition of obscenity is often difficult to apply in practice, as it requires a subjective determination of what is considered to be offensive to prevailing community standards. However, courts have established a three-part test to determine whether material is obscene, which includes:
    1. Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
    2. Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable state law.
    3. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
    If a drag show contained explicit sexual content or graphic depictions of sexual conduct that were considered patently offensive by contemporary community standards, then it could potentially be found to be obscene. However, if the show contained only artistic expressions of gender identity and sexual orientation that were not considered offensive by contemporary community standards, then it would not be considered obscene.

    It is also important to note that in determining whether a drag show is obscene to minors, the age and maturity level of the audience would be taken into account. Material that may be considered inappropriate for young children may be considered acceptable for older teenagers, for example.

    Overall, determining whether a drag show would be considered obscene to minors would require an assessment of the specific content of the show and how it is presented, as well as consideration of prevailing community standards and the age and maturity level of the audience.

    You can't just blanket ban things that you don't like or that you perceive as harmful, because this is a democratic society. If you don't like it, gtfo.
     
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    That’s why this is public and around children ban - not a total ban
     
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    Exactly - but all the triggered left posters on this thread COMPLETELY ignore that, and just base their argument on the misleading thread title.
     
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    Maybe you should read the actual bill, or at least the article. It's not a blanket ban.
     
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    How about protecting children from Guns? They don't seem to care about that.
     
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    While I did foresee that this question would come up, I did not foresee that the person asking the question would not read my entire post. /shrug
     
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    The law doesn't state anything about "sexualize drag" - only "male or female impersonator"

    Also, where do you draw the line of what is sexualized or not? Is a woman wearing a bikini in public ok for a kid to look at? Is a transgender male wearing a bikini in public ok? Or should they be forced to wear board shorts and go topless? Genuinely curious to get your perspective on these types of things.
     
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...er-Chattanooga-Pride-Youth-Day-drag-show.html
     
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    Yes, that’s what jumped out at me, and seems a pretty cut and dried violation of civil liberties. The wording sucks, as with the anti-gay Florida law.
     
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    the article title is a tad misleading. the governor isnt trying to ban them outright, just in public and around children. i guess the effect will be to keep them in clubs and not outside. im not defending this dumbassery...its probably unconstitutional to prevent people from dressing in public as they want. obviously there are public nudity laws, but if a dude is wearing a ridiculous looking dress i cant see how thats illegal. its bizarre, but not illegal. but of course big government, nanny-state right-wingers support it.

    i dont get the appeal of drag shows. i have never seen ru pauls drag race. i cant think of many things more boring than watching a bunch of dudes dress like J-Lo at the oscars and dance around to horrible disco music. but if thats what youre into then go for it.

    i do think that drag shows have always been this subversive, underground thing and it seemed like that was part of the appeal...now we have drag performers reading to kids in libraries. i think thats f***ing weird, and thats coming from someone who is really, really open-minded. if a gay or trans person wants to donate their time to read to kids or volunteer in some way i think thats great, but i dont get why one would feel the need to do it in drag. i think it actually hurts the drag "movement" in the same way that those idiots gluing themselves to paintings in museums hurts the environmentalist movement.
     
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    i know that you dont live in this country, but youre saying that you didnt know what "R rated" movies are? your english is too good for me to buy that.

    on the first page of this thread you said you didnt care if the govenment outlawed drag shows and now you say you dont agree with banning them.

    you accuse others of being obsessed with drag shows, but it seems like half the posts in this thread are from you.:D
     
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    So because a child innocently wanted to feel a mermaid outfit you need to ban people from wearing mermaid outfits in public?

    I think it's b.s. the whole trying to protect children from drag. This is more of just discrimination against transgender people and has no impact on kids whatsoever.

    Actually it does. It makes kids accept the transgender community which is something parents don't want. They prefer their kids bully transgender kids in schools, and definitely don't want their kids to have different opinions than them.
     

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