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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. jerryclark

    jerryclark Member

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    the rings or bust mindset has really ruined sports
     
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  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Soooo...while we are all arguing semantics...

    Can we all agree that our offense would be more fun to watch if we were to just run it all through SENHUB for the rest of the season?

    What do we have to lose?
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    No. No one on this team at the moment deserves all the offense to run through one player. We don't have a Luka. Sengun should be involved on all offensive plays definitely.
     
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    We will b way too predictable. Our players can't even get the ball to sengun properly a lot of the time.
     
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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I genuinely don't understand the difference between what you said and what I said.
     
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  6. MystikArkitect

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    "Sengun has shown more than both Jalen and Jabari and it feels like the standard is different for him."



    Issue isn't if Sengun is a poor defender. We know that. Issue is why are others allowed to be poor defenders, be half as consistent or straight up unproductive on offense, and don't get the same punishment. In my years of watching Rockets basketball, this is the absolute most unusual situation I've ever seen.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    It worked fine for the stretch of games before Silas forcefully prioritized Nix over Sengun (lol).
     
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  8. fchowd0311

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    Your wording implied a heliocentric offense. I also think Green needs to be involved in every offensive possession when he's on the court also.
     
  9. peleincubus

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    we are apart here on semantics. I was referring more to what jokic was working with versus what Sengun is this this season. Worlds apart in regards to any experience and minutes played.

    Nothing more than that. Definitely not that Sengun is as good as or will be as good as Jokic.

    If you would like I can compare the players and sort them by minutes played with each team and much experience they had/have.
     
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  10. AlperenSengun

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    What is the rate for teams with superstars? Or with just 1 superstar? Those are very low too because every year 1 team wins it. The question is how do the two rates compare?

    I agree Sabonis's current level is not enough to be a contender. He is too far below superstar level. I don't agree with 'you need a superstar to win it all'. There are possible teams in between that could easily win championships, especially if we had 3 or 4 of them every year.
     
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  11. peleincubus

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    Also Roy H was monster! 2 time all star and second in defensive player of the year a few seasons before that in 2014!


    Edit… forgot my lol….
     
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  12. daywalker02

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    Basically you are shutting the door to the Turkish market.

    In a losing year that nobody really cares about.

    Tilman is business man, can't be that dumb.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes. But Silas took the ball out of Sengun's hands and had Nix have the ball a lot more and hoist up 3 times the shots Sengun had, etc. It was deliberate.
     
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  14. Reeko

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    nah, no need for all that

    I am well aware of the experience difference between the 2 rosters…all I was saying is that that Nuggets roster was not good at all even if it’s still clearly better than this current Rockets roster, and it certainly wasn’t the type of roster you’d expect to be that good offensively…but they were led by Jokic
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    Again, another reason to do the same here. Play the same offense around Sengun. We literally have nothing to lose doing that. We did it for a few games, and it was more fun to watch, and everyone did better. We still lost, so the tank wasn't endangered. Then Silas and his gang purposely decided to take the ball out of Sengun's hands again, and gave it to Nix of all people. We started sucking worse, it doesn't help anyone's development, it plain sucks.
     
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  16. Reeko

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    I mean, if u can build a team with multiple All-Star caliber players in Billups, Sheed, and Ben Wallace plus a bunch of other really good players like Rip and Tayshaun while having 1 of the best defenses ever then u might win a title since it has been done once in NBA history

    Spurs had Tim, Manu, Parker, Kawhi, arguably the GOAT coach in Pop and several high BBIQ vets who all knew how to play…they were a well oiled machine…they were also a top 5 defense as well

    so if u can build all that, then I guess u don’t need a superstar…it’s been done twice in NBA history

    at the end of the day, the rate between a champion that had a superstar and one that didn’t is night and day
     
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    Jokic definitely elevated that team well beyond the level the offensive talent would suggest. I agree.

    But that is definitely a massive difference in experience. NBA level players just knowing basic things like being in the right spots at the right time, knowing how to communicate etc with it becoming muscle memory to them from all that experience helps. It helps a lot.

    Honestly Stone is actually doing something unprecedented at its pretty stupid. Most total rebuilds springled okay solid veterans willing to admit it's their stage of their careers to be more teachers and mentors than contributers to teams trying to win now.

    We have a roster full of players in their early development cycle in the NBA. Tate is our veteran who actually plays and he's a 3 year 28 year old "vet". The. It's literally KPJ and KMJ with third most experience out of our regular rotation. That's stupid. That's unheard of.

    Last night's Nuggets announcers were like "they are all babies, and not the 'cry baby' notion, no they are literally children, all of them."


    SGA would have the most NBA experience in our regular rotation if he was on our team.
     
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    we dont know that, youre just an ignoramus with agenda!
    go learn some basketball before you speak
    sengun is already a good defender with elite potential...
     
  19. Reeko

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    I wouldn’t mind it for the rest of this season…not like anything else they try looks good out there
     
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    Again, what do people not understand: we are not trying to win games, guys! We are tanking from Victor. So, if getting Sengun involved would lead to more wins, then that would reduce our ping pong balls and thus our chances at the lottery. Why in the heck would the team do that?

    A team with Sengun and Green as the leaders is not winning a title; but a team with Victor, Alperen, Green and a great veteran, plus new HC, can.

    I mean, how far did the Nuggets get last year with just Jokic? 48 wins and gentlemen's sweep in the first round.

    Now, with Jokic, Murray, and Porter Jr? 44 wins already. Not sure what will happen in the playoffs but you have to assume they will at least pull a Jazz and lose in the Second Round.
     
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