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Stephen Silas and Rick Higgins -"professional sons/nepotism beneficiaries" jointly hating on Alpi

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Feb 27, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    It wasn't Stone who wanted to draft Alpi, it was Eli Witus, who convinced Stone to do it. But I don't think the anti-Alpi agenda comes from Stone. Stone is possibly tolerating it because he wants to see the tank through. But after this season, Silas and his sycophants are out of here.

    And yes, I agree, there must have been internal debate, Silas/Higgins and their clique were proven to be on the wrong side of the debate, and now they are doing what they can to keep Sengun down, because they think the better he plays, the more stupid they will look.

    But that will happen anyway, once they will be gone.

    They can only delay the inevitable, but they cannot prevent it. Alpi is too good, and they are too bad. They will be out of a job, and Alpi will dominate.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification on Witus, but to the rest of the world it looks like Alpi is Stone's guy since he is the GM. One would think he would be trying to defend him because it is Stone's reputation on the line, to the rest of the world, not Witus's
     
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    I agree. I think Stone is "waiting it out", either because he just wants to go through with the tank and knows the incompetence of the Silas clique helps that or because he is hesitant due to the recent passing of Silas' father or he doesn't have the green light from the Frittatas to fire that clique before the end of the season. Or a mix of those things.
     
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    Aside from whoever made the pick, it is just wrong and pretty unprecedented for a coach to constantly single out a 20 year old for scapegoating. A GM should internally discipline the coach just because it is bad form and devalues the asset, if nothing else.
     
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    ATW has always been a tremendous supporter of refugees moving to Germany.
     
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    One would think Tilman's ego wouldn't allow the Rockets to be the laughingstock of the NBA. The product on the court, yes. Everyone knows what we are doing there and Tilman 100% green lit that. It is the Rockets Organization becoming a laughingstock to the national media that I am shocked Tilman is doing nothing about right now.
     
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    Sengun has unintentionally broken the brains of both his crappy coaching staff and the fans.

    I don’t see any evidence of personality vendetta as much as I see a coaching staff and generally an NBA coaching culture that has no idea how to coach old school creative low and high post big men.

    I hypothesize that even Jokic if he was on any other team without the perfect set of players and a rare open minded coach, might very well be an odd fit on many NBA teams and treated more like Sengun than how he’s adored now.

    Inside our own little microverse here though man the fans are just losing it. Wild conspiracies and obsession. The fact is I think Sengun might just be an odd fit for the NBA and it’s going to be really tough to keep him from wanting to go play for Real Madrid or another team oversees because his game is just not what coaches in the NBA are used to. Especially with guys like Silas who all his life has only been around the NBA and doesn’t know anything other than NBA perimeter superstar designed schemes.

    Point being: it’s going to take a real unique coach (if only Adelman was younger to come out of retirement) that has the ability to coach a non attacking guard NBA read and react. And the org has to ask the question of whether he’s good enough to build around to that extent and in all honesty that is an open question.

    My vote though is going into the off-season if we don’t get Wemby in the lottery, I do think it’s no harm to bring in a coach who specifically brings to his or her interview a real detailed plan for Sengun. No “we’ll just have to see etc”… No we should make it a requirement that the coach at least for next year has a good plan for Sengun on BOTH sides of the court.
     
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    What "wild conspiracies" are you hallucinating about?
     
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    Personal behind the schemes drama to single out and hold back Sengun.

    I’ve heard it all. Some have alluded to a conspiracy that the team is holding him back because they know he’ll win too many games if they play him too much etc.

    I think the hardcore Sengun fans are overthinking things and letting their imagination run a bit wild. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy, just an NBA cog that spits out players like Sengun that don’t neatly fit into the scheme.. which is the same that every team runs even when they don’t have a Lebron or Harden prime.

    We’ll see if the front office goes bold this Summer or not and whether free agent signings or Wemby happens.
     
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    Its the tolerant land of milk and honey apparently.
     
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    Most our assistants look like kids straight out of college (minus Hollins and Lucas). Clearly weakest and cheapest staff in the league and the results aren’t surprising!
     
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    Considering that hate speech laws in Germany can land you years behind bars, it’s a paradise for even the most ill-mannered newcomer.
     
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    he’s a giant islamic culture supporter too. Overall a good man, Savannah
     
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    Thank you, yes, this is correct. I have personally supported refugee families. Thanks for pointing that out.
     
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    I think this is a misread of the OP, it's not that there's a conspiracy to hold him back, it's that they're too inept to use him properly. And then it becomes frustrating for them, as coaches, that he doesn't fit their system. As you alluded to in your first post, it's mostly due to their inflexibility and incompetence. So when they want to run the guard centric perimeter style offense, where the big man sets screens and protects the rim of defense, they see Sengun as a poor performer in that role. They have it in their heads that he's not doing well, because he's honestly not, when you look at it through the lens of what they want out of that position. And then it's frustrating to them when the media is gushing about this guy who isn't even doing what you're asking him to do. It's not some wild conspiracy born out of imagination, it's just the logical extension of how rational actors would behave in this given situation.

    I think what you're suggesting and what OP is suggesting are a lot closer than you think.
     
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    Sounds great - very romantic. It would appear that our new member here likes to operate in the grey area. Would you classify calling a German Black a monkey as hate speech? I find it hard to believe that making a claim that monkey is a common slang word for "dummy" too convenient in this instance when the moniker was certainly directed at Silas. A quick search produces enough material for me to feel comfortable saying that German culture towards people of color is not much different than any other civilized nations problems with racism - the USA included.

    These guys think they are intellectually smarter than everyone else and can run these inside jokes without anyone noticing. Starting these kinds of threads is just creating the divide even larger, but that is by design.
     
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    To be fair to myself (self serving I know)... I just popped on the Rocketscast and this discussion is happening now with... well... call it what you want, but at it's core is a group of outsider fans casting theories about what is happening behind the scenes, and suggesting things at a personal level.

    And to be fair to Roosh, and those having that discussion... I totally agree with the possibilities happening there socially, culturally, etc. and maybe at some level it does impact the game. I can speak from experience as a barely 6ft white guy playing against Elsik in on our preseason games was singled out to switch on Rashard Lewis of all people because... well... I was a shorter white guy. Basketball is weird like that.

    And yes Rashard posterized me if anyone is wondering. It was ROUGH.

    But I totally can see that the social aspect of things could be happening. There are cultural differences I'm sure. This is a thing in sports, and basketball especially.

    From an organizational and coaching staff level I don't think these are really what is driving their decisions on the court with Sengun, and I sure as hell don't think they are holding him back just because he would help them win. I 100% believe Silas is actually trying to win... he's just not a very good coach. And yes, I've heard that theory many times.

    With the OP though, yes his point is very close to my thinking as well, but this conversation is naturally going to venture into the personal/social aspect. I think it's fine to have that discussion because I think its a rich and important discussion, but I think it's important to note that it's besides the point.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    This is a good post, except that I didn't say anything about a "conspiracy". That would imply it's somehow secret or something. No, it's out in the open. They just don't like the way he plays, and they think he is worse than he is. But that's really on them.
     
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