The guys over at Rockets Chop Shop, who consistently release top notch content, went through a fantasy offseason. Tankathon gave them the 3rd pick and they gave up a lot in trades, here’s the squad in their scenario: HC: Udoka Harden Green Bridges Smith, Jr. Claxton Amen JGup KJ Tari Naz Reid Tate Usman TyTy I’m torn on this scenario, they gave up a lot but would this be a playoff team?
You would need more shooting, but yes, I think that’s a playoff team. I’ll try to give the link a visit and see what exactly we would be giving up to get two DPOY level players.
You still have the 2 worst players on the team starting. Harden would put up numbers, but with poor shooters around him aside from Bridges, the spacing would be non existent and the defense would be an abomination.
Love the Chop Shop, Frank in particular gives great thoughts. I didn't really like their offseason they built out here though. One, I'm super low on Amen Thompson. He seems like a cross between Ben Simmons and Russell Westbrook, and the idea of trading our current best player (Sengun) in order to better cater to Amen is extremely odd to me (especially when you remember Amer and Sengun are actually the same age (20)). I would have gone Jarace at three, or just traded the pick. Amen though, I think, would be a mistake. I also don't think the Nets are going to give up Claxton and Bridges for that package. They may give up one of them for that, but not both. I do agree that if Harden comes in we should target Bridges, but I think we would be better off trading Green as part of a package for him, rather than Sengun. Sengun is simply a better player than Green, so it makes little sense to trade the better player. Besides, the Nets love Claxton, so I'm not sure they'd want Sengun as much as they'd want Green. I like the Naz signing, but the free agent I'd target over him is Bruce Brown jr. He's the exact sort of guard you want next to Harden, in that he can do what Pat Bev used to do for us, and what Melton is doing for the Sixers next to Harden now, which is guard the best guard night in and night out so that Harden doesn't have to. So, after trading KPJ and Green and Nets picks for Bridges my team would be: Harden Bruce Brown Bridges Eason Sengun with a bench of Jabari, Jarace Walker, KJ, Tate, Christopher, Tyty, and whoever we take with the Clippers pick -- though looking to move one of our frontcourt guys for another guard would be advisable.
Has Harden ever operated well with a non stretch big that isn't a lob threat? He works well with only a Ryan Anderson type or Capella type or someone who does both like Embid. Remember Sengun is a floor shrinker, not a floor spacer. I wouldn't want to chose between Green and Sengun but Green has the higher upside and has higher highs than Sengun but definitely a lot more lows but for young players I look at the highs to see their potential. And Green's highs are complete take over of games that lead to wins like the Bucks, Timberwolves and that almost win against the Kings. Sengun is more of a steady ship now due to his pro experience before the NBA.
Yeah, Harden has been great with non stretch bigs -- most notably Capela. Sengun isn't the lob threat that Capela is, but he sets good screens and is great on the short roll. Think about how great Jeff Green did with Harden as a short roll man that one season -- Sengun and Harden would thrive in actions like that. Totally disagree that Green has a higher upside. Sengun is still quite capable of adding a lot more to his game, including shooting threes. Don't forget, Silas has publicly said he tells Sengun not to shoot open threes right now.
Not if the defenses just decide to trap Harden off the screen and Sengun just hovers at the 3 or mid post with not a single defender within 3 feet of him. Then it's just a packed paint with Harden being trapped. Like I said Green has the higher upside. His highs in terms of impact and talent shown are higher than Sengun's highs. The difference though is that Sengun's lows are much higher and that's a tell tale sign of a more refined player with less talent.
just another one of the fake blackexperts...like fans like team...no idea no vision no depth no insight Sengun better than anyone on that squad
That's not how a short roll works. When the defense traps the guard, the roll man catches it around the free throw line on the roll, and then has to make a quick decision to pass, shot, or attack from there. Sengun processes the game so fast, him being able to make the quick pass or attack in that 4 on 3 situation is perfect. Like I said, Sengun has the higher upside. He's been more efficient than Green at every stage of their careers, even pre-NBA. He processes the game at an elite level, and makes the people around him better. And he's done that while having a coach who doesn't believe in him at all, and has catered to Green significantly more than he has catered to Sengun. So, even with having things built for Green rather than for Sengun, Sengun has been the more efficient player.
God man I hope a big man who only takes shots 8feet from the rim or closer has a higher efficiency. Do you see how defenses play Sengun off the screen? They usually double the ball handler who is usually Green and for some reason Sengun just hovers at the 3 pt line or high post area without a defender near him. Maybe this is also Sengun's fault for picking and popping rather than picking and rolling. Maybe that's the problem. In a pnr situation Sengun should always roll and never pop or else the spacing gets all ****ed up.
Also when it comes to efficiency when you examine a big man's scoring efficiency and a guard's scoring efficiency especially a guard who is asked to score off the dribble as much as Green, there are a lot more series of probabilistic events that lead to a successful possession where Sengun has properly sealed the defender within 5 ft from the rim with a clean entry pass. I'm sure you understand the basics of probability math such as (A and B) or (A or B). For a Sengun successful position there are a lot more events being multiplied to get to that final ts% for Sengun. "A" can be successfully bring the ball up. "B" is Sengun successfully establishing post position long enough for a entry pass. "C" can be a clean entry pass. So then it would A x B x C giving a smaller percentage than what is perceived through ts%. Green has less of those probabilistic events preceding to his scoring. Hence why bigs almost always have higher scoring efficiency than guards. Because we are just looking at the final event which is the actual bucket made. But there is stuff that has to happen before that bucket is made.
I feel like we're watching different games..... Sengun rolls quite often, and more and more (especially since Green has been out) teams are focusing on Sengun more and daring guys like Nix to beat us. Previously such actions was how Sengun was getting post position established, normally from passes from Green. Then defenses adjusted to focus more on Sengun, and Green got more aggressive -- and then Green went out, and defenses focused on him even more. The plays where Sengun pops are probably the coach telling him to do that so that Green and other drivers have more of an open lane. It doesn't work of course, but Silas is an idiot, so they keep doing it that way.
Add Harden and Wemby and we are a playoff team We not THAT FAR away Now.. . a COMPETING TEAM?? More work to be done Rocket River
So Green is jacking up tough shots instead of working for good shots. Yeah, agreed. That is an issue and something he has always done, and that he needs to stop doing if he's ever going to be a good player in the NBA.
I have been looking at a number of scenarios. Harden Bridges Butler C.Johnson Siakim Are the guys I have been trying to squeeze in with no regard for assets used.
I'm explaining the general nature of why bigs have higher scoring efficiency than guards. So ignore Green and Sengun for a bit. Guards score more often with less series of events needing to be successful for them to get to their shot. It results in a actual fga that has lower efficiency but in a probabilistic calculation that shot is just the last event in a series multiplied together to get a final probability of success of play.
